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Why do we expect tips?

Discussion in 'Tips' started by Geno71, Dec 27, 2016.

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  1. Do tell

    Do tell Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Home
    Those damn human animals.LOL
     
  2. UberLou

    UberLou Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Woodstock, GA
    Driving:
    UberX
    Where do you see a sign in a restaurant or bar that says "No Need to Tip" or "Tipping is not required"? Uber blasts that all over the place and they set the expectation from day one that there is no need to tip. Servers or Bartenders never have to deal with that crap. Be mad a Uber not the riders.

    tohunt4me this is not directed at you. FOR GOD SAKE PEOPLE DO SOMETHING TO EARN THE TIP OTHER THAN BASIC DRIVING FROM POINT A TO B. You do the minimum you get the minimum. You call the rider entittled but yet here you are EXPECTING a tip and not earning a tip.
     
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  3. UberLou

    UberLou Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Woodstock, GA
    Driving:
    UberX
    Tipping culture in general is gotten ridiculous. I mean you go to a restaurant and order your food at the counter, make your own drink, pick up your own food, and clean up your own trash and they have a tipping jar and option on the receipt? What the hell am I tipping for?

    If you are a server you know your wage is $2.13 im some places. You know you have to work to earn that tip you cannot just expect to get one because of your low hourly wage. Same with us drivers you have to work for it, you should never just expect it. Everyone wants something for nothing.

    You made a choice to drive at these rates, if you choose not to provide a service worthy of a tip its time for you to move along.
     
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  4. Strange Fruit

    Strange Fruit Well-Known Member

    Location:
    San Francisco
    Driving:
    UberX
    Not true in SF, CA. I have gone way above the minimum the first year, and still get badges for excellent service, and above & beyond (the two most numerous I have), but don't get tips hardly ever. When I realized it hurt my soul to be putting that extra into it and not only getting no money for it, but actually having people treat me like I was still just too low on the social ladder to even give a sincere thank you among peers feeling, I realized it wasn't worth it. Silicon valley is like the home base of the "why the hell do we have to do this annoying tip BS" mentality. It's like a principled stance for the tech bros. They will serioulsy bring up giving you 6 stars instead. Most drivers don't even know how to drive in SF so many riders notice when you're a local, and thank you for it, and thank you for not driving like a scared foreigner, but still, they don't tip for it. Many drivers are scared to go out of order on a pool trip even when it's obviously more efficient for everyone involved, and other cases where intelligence helps you give a better service. They notice and thank you for not being one fo the dumb ones they're used to, but no one tips. Maybe in Georgia your point is true, but culture is different everywhere. Some people are passionate about not having to deal with the awkwardness of tipping. Competitive capitalism has killed the element of generosity in many. They just feel awkward handing someone money out of kindness. It makes them look like fools to hand out cash. They don't want their peers to think they are fools.
     
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  5. Do tell

    Do tell Well-Known Member

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    But yet everyday I see people handing out cash to the cardboard sign holding people at the off ramp.I guess tipping's okay if you have a hand-written cardboard sign.lol
     

  6. hulksmash

    hulksmash Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Inland Empire
    I think tips should be earned, not given. With that said, riders who do things that cost us time and money and don't tip should be downrated. Make me drive 15 min (unpaid) to get you, then make me wait 5 min to come out, then ask for amenities, then make me sit in a drive thru line, then drop you off a few blocks away, all for $3, and then not be thoughtful enough to offer a tip, then yeah, you deserve a low rating. I don't care that you paid 2-3 more bucks that went to Uber.

    We offer a superior service for cheaper than taxis, and for that alone, drivers should be tipped, so long as the car is clean and are not idiots. I went on vacation recently, and Ubered everywhere, because the total cost (even with tips) was cheaper than renting a car, buying gas, and paying for parking. I tipped every time because I knew I was getting a deal, and drivers drove up to 10 min to get me. At the airport, the attendant only charged me for 1 luggage when I had 3, so I tipped cause I knew he hooked me up
     
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  7. Strange Fruit

    Strange Fruit Well-Known Member

    Location:
    San Francisco
    Driving:
    UberX
    I think thsi is why some of us hesitate to get a tipping sign. I know it would get me more money, yet I don't bother. It may be laziness, but it may be an unconscious association with panhandling, so my pride is stopping me. But people report decent results from tipping signs. If I could only play guitar and sing while driving, I'd feel okay with a sign.
     
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  8. SmokestaXX

    SmokestaXX Active Member

    I don't expect tips. However in a society where cash is not carried as much, uber not giving the ability to tip in the app is idiotic. It has also been shown uber has used no tip necessary as a marketing ploy for their service. How many times have u heard a pax infer they would tip but have no cash. Whether or not it's coming from a place of guilt or is genuine is debateagle but, it is a dilema that has a remedy.
     
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  9. Lost in the Ozone

    Lost in the Ozone Member

    Location:
    Albuquerque
    Driving:
    UberX
    Waiters and waitresses get a base hourly pay around $2.50 an hour and the rest of their income is based upon tips.
    That's the reason they expect/hope for tips.
     
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  10. Shangsta

    Shangsta Well-Known Member

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    Seattle
    Pan handling is asking for something for free. When you buy a meal at a restauraunt they leave a line for you to include a tip. Nothing wrong with a tip sign. I cant believe drivers forgo money and dont get them.
     
  11. Demon

    Demon Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Orlando
    This is a hot topic on the board. I've been in many discussions where drivers insist they are not a taxi.
     
  12. Demon

    Demon Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Orlando
    If you can't set your own rates, you're not an independent contractor.
     
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  13. u-Boat

    u-Boat Well-Known Member

    Location:
    West of the Atlantic, East of the Pacific
    Driving:
    UberXL
    Exactly. uBer's refusal to allow drivers to set their own rates will be their downfall someday. Opportunity is knocking for a TNC startup to fill that niche (ala SideCar but with more investor dough). Drivers wouldn't give two ****es about tips if they could set their own rates.
     
  14. Shangsta

    Shangsta Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Seattle
    The smarter full time drivers in my area are starting their own sidebusinesses using Uber to build a list of clients.

    The only reason you are using the Uber app is to get pax for you but if you get commercial insurance and follow local laws you could drive people off the app.

    Despite many lawsuits Uber continues to cut rates and make it harder on drivers. We would be naieve to think the pendelum is every going to really swing back in our favor.
     
  15. Strange Fruit

    Strange Fruit Well-Known Member

    Location:
    San Francisco
    Driving:
    UberX
    Freedom is where it came from. It's not entitlement, it's just they freely did what they did, and it's working. They built the company and convinced us to drive for them. they can do what they want, can't they? I mean, whatever they can get a way with, not absolutely whatever they want. I'm not an independent contractor either. I'm Uber's customer. They let me use the app to connect with their riders and I get a little over half the money from the trips. sometimes they hook me up with extra bonus game points if I get certain scores or get rides in a certain region. Like a slot machine or something. They also cover me with some crappy expensive deductible insurance while I'm using their service. Yeah, I'm a customer of Uber. Not an actual independent contractor. It's fun to pretend tho. I even have a business permit. If I wasn't an Uber customer, I don't think I'd be driving anyone around for money in my Prius. I would go outside and no body would be asking if they could have a ride. Nobody. They use the Uber app though, and I get lots of rides. And Uber keeps some of the money the people give them for my ride. Sometimes Uber calls me a partner, except in legal documents. Then I'm specifically not a partner, and am called an independent contractor. Laws are kind of ridiculous compared to reality. And unfortunately, it tends to favor more powerful parties. Uber's way more powerful than I am. So, I'll just be their customer and use their app and payment processing services, and make the most of it.

    Definitely don't expect tips, just hope for them. "If a rider tries to hand you a tip, make sure to tell them tipping is not necessary. If you don't tell them and later they find out they didn't need to, they may rate you down. If they still insist, accept it. You earned it." Does anyone else remember that from 2014 training videos? We had to watch those to do UberX in SF in Feb2014. I think they were made for the preX platform, now called Black.

    Why does everyone always say independent contractor , not employee, or vice versa. Like black or white. Like there isn't about an infinite number of other shades of color, not just if you mention black, then you must mean not white, and vice versa. You could say "it's black, not pink". Or "it's not black, it's some other color." But it's always either employee or independent contractor. Couldn't it be some other thing? Must it be framed the same way every time? Are their any independent thinkers in da house?
    And has anyone noticed there's a segment of internet culture that if they think something is hypocritical, or just generally evil, but unjustly revered in spite of that, they express their spite by misspelling the entity, like: Amerika, or uBer (the second letter is capitalized, that'll show people how I feel about em)?*


    *yea, I know I'm not nice.
     
  16. Tenderloin

    Tenderloin Well-Known Member

    Location:
    SF
    Why do taxi expect tips? Are they entiteled much? Have you ever got a tip? If so you better give it back or you are at risk of getting a title
     
  17. Demon

    Demon Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Orlando
    Have you seen taxi drivers on here complaining about not getting tips?
     
  18. Tenderloin

    Tenderloin Well-Known Member

    Location:
    SF
    Yes. I seen all kind of people complaining about all kind of stuff here.Uber driver not getting a ride, virgin not getting a ***** and Taxi driver complaining about not getting tip as well
     
  19. Demon

    Demon Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Orlando
    I haven't. Could you link me to one of the threads where they have?
     
  20. AZ-XOEM

    AZ-XOEM Active Member

    Location:
    Apache Junction
    Geno21:
    (1) Are you an Uber Spy?

    (2) "Sense of Entitlement" is/was/still perpetuated by the American Socialist Democratic Party.
    -Considered "Anti-Democratic" by Republicans during the Great Depression,... Democrats have embraced the practice ever since.
    ()

    (3)PAX Rating System is ineffective since, PAX are unable to view their own ratings on the Rider App (anyways).
    -Drivers who rate PAX poorly based on tips, -already know this. Uber allows it so, Drivers can "vent" without directly offending the PAX.
    -Heck. I've picked up Uber 2.28 and Lyft 1.0 PAX,... these ratings would typically de-activate ANY Driver. Can you say, "Double-Standard"?
    -PAX is Uber's Bread and Butter. No PAX - No Uber. (PAX are ALWAYS right, even when they're wrong or, outright lie for a Refund or Credit).

    -My Personal Ratings for PAX:
    1★: Smokers, Medical Marijuana, Open Container,... lines of coke (without offering any to me).
    2★: No Tips ("I'll tip you on the (Lyft) app, okay?" But otherwise, No Tip),
    3★:Too Much Conversation (Bible Thumpers, Politics, Ethics, Philosophy,... Mr/Mrs Know-it-ALL),
    4★:No Conversation (No Personality, Bad Mood to Start,... Grumpy overall),
    5★ For Tips (I'll even give 5-Stars for $0.50 because, it shows effort on their part).
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2016
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