Discussion in 'Advice' started by Alexxx_Uber, Oct 8, 2018.
Sorry Shaniqua we refer to that area as “the forbidden zone”.
No way Jose...
There's no way i would take you plus 6 kids in a Camry with no car seats. That's 4 unbuckled children tickets plus it looks like at least 2-3 no car seat tickets...
you guys need an excuse to refuse a ride? cancel and move on. no explanation needed. on longer trips i usually let one ping go by using the decline button..then on the second one i accept it and then cancel(if needed)once i drop off current pax.
Seriously, that’s destination discrimination.
You are allowed to refuse any rider if you feel unsafe but you can’t refuse a rider because she lives in the hood. (Well you can, but she is going to know what’s up).
All she has to do is claim to Uber or Lyft that you refused because she lives in the hood. I bet they’ll give you three strikes before you get deactivated.
If you have qualms about driving in the hood just make the drop and shut off your app.
In order to avoid or severely limit driving into the hood do the following:
1. Severely limit your Lyft aka GhettoCar driving. Lyft rides and especially 90 % of their shared rides all end in the hood.
2. Don't do shared rides on Lyft. They all end in the hood ! With Lyft shared ride you also lose any ability to pre qualify the second and third passengers that they will put in your car while driving through the hood. They will allocate the crappiest of passengers and stick them in your car.
3. Wait for surge rides. Passengers who live in the hood typically wont pay surge.
4. Only do Uber Pool during daylight hours in case you end up in the hood. The hood is safer during daylight hours.
5. Only pick up Uber Pools in nice safe neighborhoods so that you get a better quality of passenger (even if they are a cheapskate headed to the hood)
6. When heading to the hood, turn off the accepting new rides button. Turn it back on when you have safely left the hood and are back in a good safe neighborhood.
7. Confirm passenger pick up locations via text. If passenger is at a fast food joint, they are 95% likely to be going to the hood. Hit cancel.
8. Know your driving territory and decide what areas you are not comfortable picking up passengers due to the danger of being parked in the hood. This is called redlining and is illegal. However, my redlines are very clear about where I will not pick up passengers regardless of the surge, their rating etc. My redlines include 90 percent of Paterson, West, North and South Newark, the Greenville section of Jersey City, Downtown Elizabeth, all of Irvington and Orange, the Hollow section of Morristown and certain buildings in Teaneck, Englewood and Hackensack.
Yeah that seems the only solution... drop off and log off the app until I’m out of the hood. In addition I one star those rides, so I hope gradually I decrease my chance of going to hoods over time. That’s all I’m thinking of currently
Loved your comment! It matches my experiences quite well! I’m still in the learning curve though, but parts of your recommendations are in my to do list immediately. Let’s see how it goes! Again, some of your lines are very very true about possibility of hood headed pax!
You're making this much more difficult than it is in real life.
With both Uber and Lyft, you can avoid additional ride requests with a simple selection. With Uber, it's "Stop New Ride Requests" or something similar, and with Lyft it's "Last Ride." With both, the app will not add rides to your queue, and once you drop off it will automatically put you offline.
The other thing you can do if you get a ride added to your queue is simply ignore it. Drop off, begin your drive out of the area you don't like, and either the pax or company will cancel the ride. Then log off to be sure you don't get any more rides until you choose to log back on.
One-starring pax has nothing to do with ride destinations, and is likely to hurt you more than the rider. If they notice, they will 1* you back. That 1* will knock your rating down and it takes a lot of attaboys to bring up one aw****.
In addition, they may (probably will) make a complaint and both companies have very limited tolerance for complaints -- especially complaints involving race or gender discrimination.
Very true about the pings/requests. I do those often, but sometimes I simply forgot. Those are the times unwanted pings/rides come up. Not a big deal anyways, as there are many ways to live with it.
I taught one starring Lyft pax will unpair them from me. Not true?
As I’m not in a very populated area, my assumption is that at some point I unpair good number of hood headed pax just by 1-starring them. About rating, I normally give them first a 5 star, but the day after, I one star them. So they probably won’t notice it’s me (or at least less chance I guess).
I don’t know everything anyways, I need to continue optimizing and experiencing ....
You'd be better off telling Becky that her and her entitled, no-tipping Millennial friends aren't going to BH in rush hour traffic in your car right now.
*sigh* Honestly bro, this probably isn't the gig for you. You really don't have the self confidence to pull it off.
I'm not trying to be insulting or anything. But these people. They smell fear and unease like the kid from 6th Sense sees dead people. And Lyft is the most guilty of them all. Its where all the Uber rejects end up because they were banned for...abusing the system and/or driver.
Most times, even bad neighborhoods, aren't really that bad if the vibe you send out is right. If you're nervous, people pick up on that. They make you a target, and you make yourself a victim.
I've driven Princeton, Camden *sometimes*, Trenton, Darby, Philly badlands... Most of the people I pick up end up being pretty cool, and thankful. Say most drivers run, ignore their ride requests. But I generally have a chill demeanor unless you give me a reason not to, and can adjust rapidly to make almost anyone feel comfortable and at ease.
While some of the neighborhoods up there are crap, most of the people that live there, only live there because low resources prevent them from actually being somewhere else. Which also happens to be why the crime rates are so high. Everybody's got them bills to pay. And everyone's gonna do whatever they have to in order to make sure they are, indeed, paid.
If you insist on driving, then make sure you're as comfortable as you can be in your own car. If you're really that nervous about what COULD happen, carry a mag light flashlight. LOTS of light, and its heavy enough that if something goes down, it can be used as a bludgeon too.
BTW: You're totally right. You were totally gonna lose your car if you had stopped/slowed down.
OR: It could have been a pax that forgot something in your car.
I had a tailgate rage issue a few times. I was driving my old Sierra. First time I got angry, slammed on the brakes, and let him destroy his front end on my metal bumper and laughed all the way home. It was a Honda with Audi looking headlights. Definitely aftermarket, definitely A LOT of money to replace
Second time I sped up, faked out a turn while pulling over, let the dude pass me, and then returned the favor. It looked like the same car. But a different color. Probably WAS and was afraid I'd called the cops.
Turns out the guy was a car thief, got caught and arrested a week later... And was released on bail and subsequently disappeared. lmao
This is a tough job for me ... but I wanna give it a try ... optimize gradually and build up a routine.
I’m not a super scared person, but, within one month if driving here, I have seen a couple of issue, and always back there in Trenton. So I learn that something is wrong over there.
Honestly that car chase was not normal. I don’t really think he was pissed by my driving. When I speeded up quite much, he speeded up too, he didn’t keep a normal speed. In addition he made a few turns after my turns as well. His attitude was more like trying to tell me something is wrong with my car and guiding me to stop. Rather than being pissed of by my low speed. He wanted me to STOP, not to speed up, I’m sure.
What could possibly go wrong? LOL Great work you're going places!
You give out 1* just because someone can't afford to live in a better neighborhood? You're *that* guy? What makes you so special? You're just a U/L driver!
Honestly, I hate to do that too ... but having a couple issues by driving in that area, I realize I need to put my safety at first, no matter how cruel it is. Sorry.
Yup, he wanted you to stop. Probably had someone in the back seat hiding, laying down, who would come out and jack you. It's actually common to see this in some areas. This is what they tried doing to me. You did absolutely the right thing by drawing attention to yourself and continuing to drive.
Believe me, I understand that this can be hard for some people. Honestly, its good for you to get out of your comfort zone and give it a try. You'll learn things about yourself that you wouldn't have otherwise, maybe fix a few things, build yourself up a bit. You'll start seeing patterns, and understanding people and their mannerisms better.
LMAO, I've been plenty of places, and been in plenty of crappy situations. I've been a racer/built race cars, a mechanic, a car salesperson, a parts specialist/car part inventory specialist. This is a down time for me. Doctors tell me I'll be good to go after another year of physical therapy from a serious on-the-job injury, then I'll be back in a shop, making my flat hourly and forgetting all about this foray into crapville. This is just like driving through Tijuana. Plenty can go wrong, if you let it by not understanding how to read people. My entire existence has been reading people. Honestly, this is probably one of the LEAST stressful jobs I've ever had.
Yeah , at some point I put my gear to sport mode and flatened the pedal, going really fast - but the guy was still trying to reach me. Indeed once he realized he can’t catch me, he gave up. Also, I was driving toward the good area gradually
Then find another job. Seriously. Closing yourself in a small, confined space is potentially dangerous.
And, for the record, I drove all sorts of neighborhoods. It was the well-heeled professionals from the best neighborhoods of multi-million dollar homes that gave me the most trouble. One was a guy from a home at the tippy-top of a private road in North Caldwell. He got in and started beating on his wife.
The other was a HIGHLY respected corporate attorney tri-state wide from Montclair that had to be removed from my car by 3 police officers at gunpoint, and who STILL jumped around in the street, waving his arms and screaming. He had been heading home to his mansion on Upper Mountain Ave.
Never had a problem in the hood. I've driven them all... gangbangers (red, blue, and yellow), drug dealers, pimps, hookers of all gender-persuasions, young and old. They're all "Yes, Ma'am/No, Ma'am/Thank you, Ma'am".
You're afraid of the wrong people, and your system of one-starring people just because they're poor is disgustingly offensive.
Be careful. What goes around comes around, and it usually picks up speed and momentum along the way.
Just take them there and then turn off new requests so you can dip out of there. Everytime I've had trouble in the hood it's because I kept my app on once I got to the hood. If you not a hood person or just not feeling in the hood mood turn off requests and get out.
"LMAO, I've been plenty of places, and been in plenty of crappy situations. I've been a racer/built race cars, a mechanic, a car salesperson, a parts specialist/car part inventory specialist. This is a down time for me. Doctors tell me I'll be good to go after another year of physical therapy from a serious on-the-job injury, then I'll be back in a shop, making my flat hourly and forgetting all about this foray into crapville. This is just like driving through Tijuana. Plenty can go wrong, if you let it by not understanding how to read people. My entire existence has been reading people. Honestly, this is probably one of the LEAST stressful jobs I've ever had."
Terrific! Great work you're going places.
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