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yankdog

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That's a downside of all the background checks being done now. Many businesses refuse to hire ex-cons.

We as a society need to turn ex-cons into law abiding productive citizens who won't return to a life of crime.


I'm a free market libertarian for the most part, and libertarians are saying that automation has always eliminated some jobs, but new jobs opened up as a result.

That may have been true then, but I'm not so sure it'll be true now.
I'm sure the cons can dine on a sumptuous meal of libertarianism as they all boldly go into the world to retrain themselves to do MRI scans and other technical positions at 40 to 50 years of age
 

Nats121

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I'm sure the cons can dine on a sumptuous meal of libertarianism as they all boldly go into the world to retrain themselves to do MRI scans and other technical positions at 40 to 50 years of age
If employers are willing to give ex-cons a break, and ex-cons are willing to go to technical school or community colleges and learn a new job skill, then they can become productive citizens.
 

yankdog

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If employers are willing to give ex-cons a break, and ex-cons are willing to go to technical school or community colleges and learn a new job skill, then they can become productive citizens.
I won't hold my breath on those employers giving them a break or paying. Just like Trump supporters in the rust belt and coal fields were wise not to hold there's. At some point we have to be practical.
 

Nats121

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An x con should not be some kind of protected class. I can completely understand why a consumer and a company would not want to put someone who has a history of taking advantage of a situation to do wrong as defined by society, into a position of trust such as someone that you may be alone with at night in a secluded location.
A willingness to hire ex-cons who are trying better themselves isn't putting them into a protective class.
 

Nats121

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I won't hold my breath on those employers giving them a break or paying. Just like Trump supporters in the rust belt and coal fields were wise not to hold there's. At some point we have to be practical.
There are many employed ex-cons, so at least some employers are giving them a break.
 

yankdog

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There are many employed ex-cons, so at least some employers are giving them a break.
Exception proving the rule? This isn't about cons this is about low income people in non skilled jobs who are going to be pushed out of even more jobs due to technology as Al raised. I am sure the great libertarian model will light the path forward.

My side must be out of ideas since Govt isn't the answer right? This is the great anti govt moment whose forces control both Chambers and the Presidency. So clearly I as a liberal have no answers so I'm just waiting for the market and less regulation to bring back the steel and coal jobs and allow the 40 year old cons to become med tech specialists or whatever. I will just wait for that day. Ball is no longer in my court, politically.
 
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Nats121

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No that is true, however if the government were to get involved and require such than it would be.
Who's proposing the govt requiring employers to hire ex-cons?

Govt involvement should be limited to helping ex-cons with job training. It's a good investment if it prevents recidivism.

Exception proving the rule? This isn't about cons this is about low income people in non skilled jobs who are going to be pushed out of even more jobs due to technology as Al raised.
Some people are sounding the alarm about AI making human workers obsolete. It sounds like sci-fi, but it needs to be taken seriously.
 

Uberfunitis

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Who's proposing the govt requiring employers to hire ex-cons?

Govt involvement should be limited to helping ex-cons with job training. It's a good investment if it prevents recidivism.
Singling out cons for training is also creating a special protected class. I would support general job training and education for anyone legally allowed in the US. I however would not support training for any one group or subgroup.
 

yankdog

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Who's proposing the govt requiring employers to hire ex-cons?

Govt involvement should be limited to helping ex-cons with job training. It's a good investment if it prevents recidivism


Some people are sounding the alarm about AI making human workers obsolete. It sounds like sci-fi, but it needs to be taken seriously.
How should the govt help with retraining cons and how about others in other industries who aren't trained to do anything else due to technology or automation? Just generally I'm curious.

Sorry nats I'm not trying to pin you down. Just raising questions and genuinely curious about answers since big govt liberalism is dead and has failed,
 

Nats121

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Singling out cons for training is also creating a special protected class. I would support general job training and education for anyone legally allowed in the US. I however would not support training for any one group or subgroup.
I knew you'd try to spin that as "singling out", but I just felt too lazy to cover that scenario in my previous post.

Govt aid to displaced workers, ex-con and non-con is a good investment. Clear enough now for you?

How should the govt help with retraining cons and how about others in other industries who aren't trained to do anything else due to technology or automation? Just generally I'm curious.

Sorry nats I'm not trying to pin you down. Just raising questions and genuinely curious about answers since big govt liberalism is dead and has failed,
Big govt is dead? Congress just passed a budget-busting spending bill.

How should the govt help with retraining cons and how about others in other industries who aren't trained to do anything else due to technology or automation? Just generally I'm curious.

Sorry nats I'm not trying to pin you down. Just raising questions and genuinely curious about answers since big govt liberalism is dead and has failed,
As I already said, community colleges are a good source and the cost is reasonable. Govt aid is available.
 

yankdog

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I knew you'd try to spin that as "singling out", but I just felt too lazy to cover that scenario in my previous post.

Govt aid to displaced workers, ex-con and non-con is a good investment. Clear enough now for you?


Big govt is dead? Congress just passed a budget-busting spending bill.
And how much goes to help cons? I said liberalism, meaning the social net. Besides the Conservatives control Congress and the Executive so all they have is continued big govt policies and not retraining "cons" and promising coal and steel jobs?

Ok I got it
 

TahoeAl

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You can train x-cons, underemployed, un-employable, etc, all you want, but if there are no jobs and/or employers don't want to hire them, then we will have to take care of for them one way or another.

SDCs, An engineer at Uber reviewed that video and had a "come to god movement".

That SDC is a killer.
  • It can't see in the dark
  • If it did, it is not programmed to consider object in a different lane,
  • If it is programmed to consider objects in a different lane, its reaction time is too slow

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yankdog

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I knew you'd try to spin that as "singling out", but I just felt too lazy to cover that scenario in my previous post.

Govt aid to displaced workers, ex-con and non-con is a good investment. Clear enough now for you?


Big govt is dead? Congress just passed a budget-busting spending bill.


As I already said, community colleges are a good source and the cost is reasonable. Govt aid is available.
I agree in part. Given the scope of the problem I'm sure Conservatives would agree to a vast expansion of public debt to pay for this retraining of blacks, Hispanics, and poor rural white folks who on many occasions don't even have a GED. But it is comforting that Conservatives and perhaps some libertarians are for what is an expansion of govt to retrain millions of people.
 

Uberfunitis

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I agree in part. Given the scope of the problem I'm sure Conservatives would agree to a vast expansion of public debt to pay for this retraining of blacks, Hispanics, and poor rural white folks who on many occasions don't even have a GED. But it is comforting that Conservatives and perhaps some libertarians are for what is an expansion of govt to retrain millions of people.
That is one option the retraining. For it to work it would have to have many limitations though. For example the education provided would have to be for something that was actually needed. I would have a big heart burn providing free education to someone into a field that is already over saturated or they would not be able to find employment in anyways. Second even with the education there is a certain portion of the population that would rather live a life of crime regardless of the opportunity out there we hear things like a sense of family etc all the time, it is not always about financial opportunity that leads some to the life of crime. Third I think that the penal system that we have does not serve as a big enough deterrent to crime. If we have people who are going in and out of the system than that system is not harsh enough to provide incentive to change his or her ways.

If the driver looked like this,

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Would her being an excon even be discussed?
That depends on what she was an ex con for. Something like armed robbery where she would be taking people around at night in potentially secluded places.... yes I would still have a problem with that.
 

New2This

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I always assumed that one of the egghead engineers would be "behind the wheel" of the prototype SDC monitoring things. From the sound of it even our pizza boy could've been doing it.
 

yankdog

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I always assumed that one of the egghead engineers would be "behind the wheel" of the prototype SDC monitoring things. From the sound of it even our pizza boy could've been doing it.
I'm just surprised this thread hasn't turned into a fight about bicyclists in DC disobeying the laws of the road and rideshare drivers.
 
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