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Drivers Champion

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  • We will know that taking the most efficient (direct) route is what makes upfront pricing a success for Uber.

    So take the THIRD most efficient route instead! Gives you a better chance at getting a fairer slice of the pie.

    Here are some examples.

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    Update: I noticed that AnatolianTiger got his tolls paid ($13.64) on top of the percentage cut from the upfront fare where he attempted to rip off the pax but only got paid $84 instead of $124 (Airport to Parramatta via LCT & M2).

    So this Waze strategy needs to also factor in taking toll roads if it reduces the time of the trip as the tolls will be paid regardless of whether it was the best route.

    For the time being keep periodically monitoring your cut by just taking 77.5% or 72.5% from the upfront fare to see if it matches.

    One day it will stop matching, more often than not. That's when this Waze strategy will need to be used.

    Get in the habit early?
 
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Ana C.

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Good tips. Will try.
waze 1º option by defect is "faster route" if there's traffic, he'll recalculate the route, so it's possible to you to make more miles, but be there faster. This is automatic, but everytime you start a trip, you can change the definitions (I advise you to do it while PAX is looking outsider or so) to the longest distance trip, whenever are traffic or not.
 

syd1429

Active Member
waze 1º option by defect is "faster route" if there's traffic, he'll recalculate the route, so it's possible to you to make more miles, but be there faster. This is automatic, but everytime you start a trip, you can change the definitions (I advise you to do it while PAX is looking outsider or so) to the longest distance trip, whenever are traffic or not.
I always recommend to PAX there r only 2 routes Hwy Or My way if PAX asked what ur way ....my way is always a FREEWAY
 

Drivers Champion

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Dont get it. How does the 3rd most effiicent give you a better slice? Explain?
The upfront pricing module will be based on roughly the 4th most efficient route - as it factors in a buffer for possible traffic or missed turns (they are a business and are not about to lose money by under quoting).

I definitely feel that Uber were testing this 4th route in the past month or two because my pax even pointed out at times that we were taking a bad route.

By taking the 3rd and not the 1st, you get closer to your usual commission rate when calculated from the upfront fare.

You can be super efficient if you like, but then you're just giving Uber an even larger commission. Can you live with that? Looks like most of us cannot.
 

evil

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The upfront pricing module will be based on roughly the 4th most efficient route - as it factors in a buffer for possible traffic or missed turns (they are a business and are not about to lose money by under quoting).

I definitely feel that Uber were testing this 4th route in the past month or two because my pax even pointed out at times that we were taking a bad route.

By taking the 3rd and not the 1st, you get closer to your usual commission rate when calculated from the upfront fare.

You can be super efficient if you like, but then you're just giving Uber an even larger commission. Can you live with that? Looks like most of us cannot.
Uber are not charging you a higher commission.
Every screenshot I seen shows the commission is still at 22% or 27.5%. What pax paid and the fare you see on the driver app is the same.

All uber has done is give the passenger an upfront price which is not the same when compared to time and distance. This is basically the same as cutting the rates. Commission is still exactly the same before and after march 26
 

Drivers Champion

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Uber are not charging you a higher commission.
Every screenshot I seen shows the commission is still at 22% or 27.5%. What pax paid and the fare you see on the driver app is the same.

All uber has done is give the passenger an upfront price which is not the same when compared to time and distance. This is basically the same as cutting the rates. Commission is still exactly the same before and after march 26
You guys seriously think that when they first launch upfront fares that they are going to immediately rip drivers off?

There would be a massive walk out, and with Taxify, Ola and Go Catch waiting with open arms.

No, they con the less intelligent drivers to think it is okay.

And then they strike when it suits them.
 
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evil

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You guys seriously think that when they first launch upfront fares that they are going to immediately rip drivers off?

There would be a massive walk out, and with Taxify, Ola and Go Catch waiting with open arms.

No, they con the less intelligent drivers to think it is okay.

And then they strike when it suits them.

It's the long weekend coming up, so perhaps unlikely they will make a move on Thursday or Sunday night, but watchout for Saturday night of 7th April.
Until you have evidence uber is ripping people off in Australia then your comment becomes relevant.
 

syd1429

Active Member
Until you have evidence uber is ripping people off in Australia then your comment becomes relevant.
It take time to clear ....
but by then we all have another HOT TOPIC to discuss.... looks like go with the flow or say goodbye if we r not happy
 

#professoruber

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I was posting on another thread and saw this one so I will post here.

We have had the upfront fares for awhile, here are some tips to make more money.

1. Turn off the Uber nav and use a reputable navigation. I use Waze.
2. Before going into drive and hitting the gas pedal, start the navigation and click routes, which will list 3 routes.
3. Confirm the destination and ask if the rider has a preferred route.
4. If the rider does have a preference (tourists and non-locals), compare against the routes in the navigation. This is when you can discuss other options if the riders route is crap.
5. If the rider does not care, I usually pick the most efficient route (with more miles) and communicate the route to the rider.

This approach covers, confirming the destination, discussing the route, and maximizing the amount you can make on a ride.

Examples from yesterday: Two rides that were very similar. Ubers route would have paid about $50. Waze route that was actually a couple minutes faster paid $60-$70. Upfront pricing for both of these trips was $95. Uber still pocketed more than 25%.

Just to be clear on upfront pricing, Uber is not ripping drivers off. They are ripping riders off. We have seen fares of $100+ and the driver getting paid $30 based on time and mileage. This solves some pains with rides as riders are savvy to request a specific route to save money. End result, you are being paid at the minute rate because of the route the rider chooses. The benefits of the upfront pricing, it leaves room for drivers to make mistakes and it not affect what the rider pays. It offers transparency to the rider on what they will pay.
 

evil

Well-Known Member
I was posting on another thread and saw this one so I will post here.

We have had the upfront fares for awhile, here are some tips to make more money.

1. Turn off the Uber nav and use a reputable navigation. I use Waze.
2. Before going into drive and hitting the gas pedal, start the navigation and click routes, which will list 3 routes.
3. Confirm the destination and ask if the rider has a preferred route.
4. If the rider does have a preference (tourists and non-locals), compare against the routes in the navigation. This is when you can discuss other options if the riders route is crap.
5. If the rider does not care, I usually pick the most efficient route (with more miles) and communicate the route to the rider.

This approach covers, confirming the destination, discussing the route, and maximizing the amount you can make on a ride.

Examples from yesterday: Two rides that were very similar. Ubers route would have paid about $50. Waze route that was actually a couple minutes faster paid $60-$70. Upfront pricing for both of these trips was $95. Uber still pocketed more than 25%.

Just to be clear on upfront pricing, Uber is not ripping drivers off. They are ripping riders off. We have seen fares of $100+ and the driver getting paid $30 based on time and mileage. This solves some pains with rides as riders are savvy to request a specific route to save money. End result, you are being paid at the minute rate because of the route the rider chooses. The benefits of the upfront pricing, it leaves room for drivers to make mistakes and it not affect what the rider pays. It offers transparency to the rider on what they will pay.
Show me the fare of $100 and driver recieving $30. Dont send a U.S fare because its not the same. Every Australian screenshot I seen has it calculating the same commission with the same fare price between rider and driver.
 

#professoruber

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Show me the fare of $100 and driver recieving $30. Dont send a U.S fare because its not the same. Every Australian screenshot I seen has it calculating the same commission with the same fare price between rider and driver.
They have been doing it in the US for quite some time (6 months to a year - do not recall when). Why would you think that they won't do it in the Australia? It seems kind of shallow to think that Uber as a company would say we are going to make this exception for Australia.

It's all algorithms that dictates and calculates the upfront fares. I think collecting data (what people will spend for a ride, where rides are coming from, what specific areas surge) will ultimately change how the upfront fares are calculated.

I will check back in a couple of months, I am 100% sure that you will start seeing larger discrepancies and many will start posting. Just give it time, I have went through all of the changes Uber has made over the years and this is their M.O. Give themselves a raise while keeping the drivers rates the same.

My personal opinion is that it ultimately affects the rider. Drivers have agreed to the per mile/minute rates. It simply sucks seeing what Uber is charging compared to the per mile/minute rate. At one point I felt shafted by Uber, but on the other hand, I see that this company has not turned a profit and they are trying to figure out a way to balance the books.
 

evil

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They have been doing it in the US for quite some time (6 months to a year - do not recall when). Why would you think that they won't do it in the Australia? It seems kind of shallow to think that Uber as a company would say we are going to make this exception for Australia.

It's all algorithms that dictates and calculates the upfront fares. I think collecting data (what people will spend for a ride, where rides are coming from, what specific areas surge) will ultimately change how the upfront fares are calculated.

I will check back in a couple of months, I am 100% sure that you will start seeing larger discrepancies and many will start posting. Just give it time, I have went through all of the changes Uber has made over the years and this is their M.O. Give themselves a raise while keeping the drivers rates the same.

My personal opinion is that it ultimately affects the rider. Drivers have agreed to the per mile/minute rates. It simply sucks seeing what Uber is charging compared to the per mile/minute rate. At one point I felt shafted by Uber, but on the other hand, I see that this company has not turned a profit and they are trying to figure out a way to balance the books.
Uber cannot be giving different fares between rider and driver for the simple fact of GST.
Rider pays GST.
This GST is passes onto driver.
Driver passes onto ATO.

Do you really think it would make sense to pass GST on 2 different fare prices? I.e. rider pays $100 fare and driver only sees $30 fare so GST that will need to be passed is $10.
 

#professoruber

Well-Known Member
Uber cannot be giving different fares between rider and driver for the simple fact of GST.
Rider pays GST.
This GST is passes onto driver.
Driver passes onto ATO.

Do you really think it would make sense to pass GST on 2 different fare prices? I.e. rider pays $100 fare and driver only sees $30 fare so GST that will need to be passed is $10.
Interesting, but Uber doesn't care. Rider is paying the GST based on what they pay. Uber will slap it right in the drivers face. Here's your $30 but we will show you the $10 GST because we are being transparent. They are not hiding anything.

I will check back in a couple of months as I am interested on how this one plays out.
 

bigoldtoo

New Member
Uber cannot be giving different fares between rider and driver for the simple fact of GST.
Rider pays GST.
This GST is passes onto driver.
Driver passes onto ATO.

Do you really think it would make sense to pass GST on 2 different fare prices? I.e. rider pays $100 fare and driver only sees $30 fare so GST that will need to be passed is $10.
The problem is that we as drivers don't know the exact fare. We only know what uber tells us, so we only pay (or pass) GST for the amount uber gives us. For the "fare difference", Uber can deal with it themselves just like what they do for the service fee. I guess ATO wouldn't care where they get GST from as long as it is received in full.
 

Immoralized

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The problem is that we as drivers don't know the exact fare. We only know what uber tells us, so we only pay (or pass) GST for the amount uber gives us. For the "fare difference", Uber can deal with it themselves just like what they do for the service fee. I guess ATO wouldn't care where they get GST from as long as it is received in full.
ATO doesn't care where the tax money or GST come from as long as it is paid in full.

That is absolutely correct! They are not DOT and have no interest in running transport companies. All they are interested is collecting taxes.

As long as Uber squares it up with the ATO they can get away with it :p Not to mention ATO collecting way more taxes now then they were with the taxi drivers/owners always under declaring when it was mostly "all cash".
 

sharkie 2016

Well-Known Member
I was posting on another thread and saw this one so I will post here.

We have had the upfront fares for awhile, here are some tips to make more money.

1. Turn off the Uber nav and use a reputable navigation. I use Waze.
2. Before going into drive and hitting the gas pedal, start the navigation and click routes, which will list 3 routes.
3. Confirm the destination and ask if the rider has a preferred route.
4. If the rider does have a preference (tourists and non-locals), compare against the routes in the navigation. This is when you can discuss other options if the riders route is crap.
5. If the rider does not care, I usually pick the most efficient route (with more miles) and communicate the route to the rider.

This approach covers, confirming the destination, discussing the route, and maximizing the amount you can make on a ride.

Examples from yesterday: Two rides that were very similar. Ubers route would have paid about $50. Waze route that was actually a couple minutes faster paid $60-$70. Upfront pricing for both of these trips was $95. Uber still pocketed more than 25%.

Just to be clear on upfront pricing, Uber is not ripping drivers off. They are ripping riders off. We have seen fares of $100+ and the driver getting paid $30 based on time and mileage. This solves some pains with rides as riders are savvy to request a specific route to save money. End result, you are being paid at the minute rate because of the route the rider chooses. The benefits of the upfront pricing, it leaves room for drivers to make mistakes and it not affect what the rider pays. It offers transparency to the rider on what they will pay.
how are they not ripping drivers off ???? if we are not getting the 22 1/2 % or 27 1/2 % of what the pax pays answer that please

Show me the fare of $100 and driver recieving $30. Dont send a U.S fare because its not the same. Every Australian screenshot I seen has it calculating the same commission with the same fare price between rider and driver.
you do a fare then ask the customer to look at there fare you will see then
 

Sleepo

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In Australia we do not get paid on distance and time, we are paid a percentage of the fare (However it is calculated) At this moment in time that has not changed. As for seeing customer invoice, just log into your uber account and check it, as it is issued in your own name.
 
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