UBER TO GIVE A RAISE TO CALIFORNIA DRIVERS
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No, the math doesn't work out to favor IC over employee. Employers are required to reimburse employees for all costs suffered in the course of employment. This means EVERY expense must be reimbursed. The best part about this is reimbursement is not taxable, even if it's beyond the actual expense. So, if they reimbursed .56/mi (IRS rate) you get to pocket the net difference without tax basis. So, this factor is strongly in favor over employment over tax benefits.Whatever they do, I don't want to be an employee. I want to be that independent contractor for tax reasons.
They can even lower the rates to keep me driving LOL.
Probably, but as long as I get my cut of Uber's carcass I don't care. They went out of their way to burn the good will candle at both ends for me.I completely agree that they have been ripping us drivers off. They should fix the pay for sure. But drivers have been suing U and L to be made into employees with benefits. That to me is the wrong path! And they started suing years ago when the pay rate and surge and bonus were way bigger than today!
Like all good things in this world, the greedy bastards and the vulture lawyers will screw it all up for everybody.
Uber and Lyft are joining forces for a public battle to keep their workers as independent contractors while making wage and benefits concessions.www.sfchronicle.com
Ever met a bartender? Quite a few of them work for several bars of different ownership. Working for a competitor in the same space isn't always inherently problematic. I'm in IT, I've had IT side work while working for an employer. They also knew and it wasn't considered a conflict of interest.No, what I need is the ability to do this as a side gig. I'm not calculating like it's a full time job. I want to lose money on paper. I need to be paid on a 1099. What I save in taxes is what I "earn". I don't need benefits, got that with my full time real job already. Hell, I drive Uber on my paid days off. You guys don't get it.
Also, if they made you employees, guess what? How many employers can you have at the same time now? You won't be able to work for both Uber and Lyft, plus do Amazon and Postmates. Do you think Uber will let you drive on Lyft and vice versa? You don't think as an employer that they won't limit your pay? You will be limited to make freaking peanuts. People have no clue!
If we were made into employees, U/L will lose 3/4 of the drivers. The rest of you full timer will be just like the taxi drivers before. Are you ready for that? Have you ever watched the show Taxis on TV. You will be a miserable lot. God help you.
Wanting U/L drivers to be treated as employees is like wanting real estate agents to be turned into employees. Forget about high commissions. Go sell that $3 Million dollar house, I'll pay you $15 an hour to do it. Oh and here, drive the beat up smelly Prius company car to show houses. WTF.
The gig economy largely operates unlawfully.I'm good with anything they propose to keep us as contractors.
The route to make us employees is a huge trouble for many drivers as well as will destroy Uber/Lyft/Amazon Flex,Roadie,Postmate etc. Just dealing with benefits such as insurance, sick pay for the huge numbers of employees, most don't know how many hours and when per week they work is a freaking nightmare and huge overhead. I don't want the gig economy destroyed.
I hear you. What you say about U/L is absolutely true. I like operating in the grey, benefiting from reduction in income tax due to the write offs. I like shafting the IRS as much as I can since I'm in the upper middle class earnings. I'm tired of paying a lot in taxes to cover for the poor people. I'm neither a republican nor a democrat. I'm in my own party "The royally shafted". As long as I have an opportunity to earn extra money on top of my salary, while being able to deduct mileage, phone, car loan interests I'm good. And of course it is paramount that the side gig does not interfere with my main job in any way. Flying below the radar in the grey is where I want to be.The gig economy largely operates unlawfully.
Regardless of how you think things ought to be, the current legal environment doesn't allow for U/L to operate as it does with "contractors." U/L know this, this is why every IC related case has been settled and not decided. This is why they're trying so hard to get an exception to the proposed law.
U/L both essentially admitted as much in their SEC filings prior to going public.
I'm the ultimate libertarian, so I think people should be free to form whatever contracts they like, free from government intervention. However, that doesn't give me free reign to simply ignore laws I find disadvantageous or superfluous. There are consequences when you're caught.
U/L have both operated since inception under the premise of asking forgiveness not permission.
If you want to remain a contractor, go for it. Advocate for changes to the legal paradigm. However, don't let Uber and Lyft off the hook retroactively.
Besides, think of it this way. When has anything U/L wanted ever been good for drivers? The only policy they've advocated for that was mutually beneficial was the single business permit issue.
Just about every other example is U/L shafting drivers and pax.