Uber now legal in Philly

Stray cat

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Article in philly.com by Jason Laughlin. Looks like the Septa regional rail crisis was the tipping point for PPA approval. DNC convention was a secondary reason. UberX and UberPool now legal in Philly. Phrased as a "temporary" agreement, pending passage of state legislation in Harrisburg.
 
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BigSlick

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It says they are offering riders a 40% discount. Is that isn't coming out of our pockets or is Uber covering it?
 

Nitedriver

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Article in philly.com by Jason Laughlin. Looks like the Septa regional rail crisis was the tipping point for PPA approval. DNC convention was a secondary reason. UberX and UberPool now legal in Philly. Phrased as a "temporary" agreement, pending passage of state legislation in Harrisburg.

Noooooooooooo...let it be illegal ...
 

Jesse36

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So this news as all things in life is a double edged sword.
The good it's legal PARKING AUTH will leave us alone for now.
The not so good. To work legally in Philadelphia now we are supposed to buy a Bussiness Privilege license every year for $300. We are supposed to pay a millage on our profits.
Has anyone else considered this?
 

MiddleClassedOut

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So this news as all things in life is a double edged sword.
The good it's legal PARKING AUTH will leave us alone for now.
The not so good. To work legally in Philadelphia now we are supposed to buy a Bussiness Privilege license every year for $300. We are supposed to pay a millage on our profits.
Has anyone else considered this?
Where did you hear this? There's nothing in the legislation about business licenses or anything else.
 

Jesse36

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I owned a small business in Philadelphia for over 35 years and am aware of some of the tax laws in the city. Anyone working in Philadelphia is required to pay Bussiness Privilege tax. Will be a small amount, but you need to file and pay. Since we are self employed we have to purchase license to pay tax.
 

Nitedriver

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I owned a small business in Philadelphia for over 35 years and am aware of some of the tax laws in the city. Anyone working in Philadelphia is required to pay Bussiness Privilege tax. Will be a small amount, but you need to file and pay. Since we are self employed we have to purchase license to pay tax.
yup you just sound like this guy...

Had to go visit them back in 2004 or so for a Taxi license, nothing but high end cars in their parking lot. If you thought dealing with DMV was bad, go deal with them, and not even as a parking violator, just as someone who wants to work in the city. They added so many fees and violations towards cab owners/drivers, it made what the cab driver had to pay per shift (12 hours usually) go up at least $10-$20 (so, $55 a shift went up to 65/70 which was the MAX at the time) almost immediately after they took over.

I just got that feeling that grift, and nepotism was going on down there.
 

Jesse36

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This has nothing to do with ppa. Totally a revenue issue with the city. I am not saying there are no issues with corruption. Remember that we are talking about one of the most politically and financially corrupt cities in the country. Basically you must be a Democrat to hold office in Philadelphia.
 

ChortlingCrison

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Article in philly.com by Jason Laughlin. Looks like the Septa regional rail crisis was the tipping point for PPA approval. DNC convention was a secondary reason. UberX and UberPool now legal in Philly. Phrased as a "temporary" agreement, pending passage of state legislation in Harrisburg.
In uber's case "temporary" probably means several years. Even the upscale uber services, like black/select (or whatever philly offers) hate them.
 

Stray cat

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So this news as all things in life is a double edged sword.
The good it's legal PARKING AUTH will leave us alone for now.
The not so good. To work legally in Philadelphia now we are supposed to buy a Bussiness Privilege license every year for $300. We are supposed to pay a millage on our profits.
Has anyone else considered this?
I believe the City phased out the $300 fee in 2014. Registering yourself with the City as a 1099 businessman continues to be one's own honesty/ self-disclosure issue unless they agree for Uber to send copies of 1099 to the City regarding drivers with local addresses.
 

Shpinzy

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Article in philly.com by Jason Laughlin. Looks like the Septa regional rail crisis was the tipping point for PPA approval. DNC convention was a secondary reason. UberX and UberPool now legal in Philly. Phrased as a "temporary" agreement, pending passage of state legislation in Harrisburg.
I think it's the other way around . DNC is the main reason for ppa to lax uber. The world will be watching and Our local Politicians want to look good and progressive. Ppa doesn't care about broken trains. The more cars in philly the more chaos the more tickets the more money for ppa
 

Nitedriver

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just checkin the news , look @ this..

After PPA gives Uber 90-day pass, taxis promise “chaos” during the DNC, and lawsuits

taxi alliance club , lawsuit after lawsuit against everbody.....really ??

http://planphilly.com/articles/2016...xis-promise-chaos-during-the-dnc-and-lawsuits

If you were worried that the Democratic National Convention coming to Philadelphia later this month wouldn’t be as interesting as the protest-filled Republican National Convention in 2000 or the cluster jam expected in Cleveland this year, well, you’re in luck.

Following news that the Philadelphia Parking Authority (PPA) will allow Uber to operate until September 30th under the gauzy guise of a “temporary agreement,” representatives of Philadelphia’s limousine and taxi drivers promised “chaos” during the DNC.

“We just think it’s really crazy,” said Ronald Blount, President of the Taxi Workers Alliance of Pennsylvania. “We’re definitely looking at our legal options and we’ll definitely take action in the streets.”

“Everything is on the table, road closures during the DNC, it’ll be complete chaos,” said Blount.

Ali Razak, a spokesman for the Philadelphia Limousine Association and an UberBlack driver, echoed Blount’s comments. “Why should we follow the law when they [Uber] don’t?”

“There will be a lot of lawsuits against the PPA,” said Razak. “This is total discrimination.”

During the press conference, PPA Executive Director Vince Fenerty downplayed the likelihood of a general taxi strike. “"I don't believe there will be full participation, because, taxi drivers, this is event where there can make a good living during. And I would hope they would not do that,” said Fenerty.

Blount, who had previously said that the Taxi Worker Alliance would avoid protests during the DNC, disagreed. “This changes everything. Now, we’re meeting with all drivers and owners, we’re complete united,” said Blount. “We’re not going to sit by. It’s okay to have a free market place, I’m all for it, but you can’t handcuff us to 90 pages of regulations, do nothing to them, and expect a fair fight.”

The PPA has long held that services like UberX and Lyft operate illegally in Philadelphia, acting like a “hack”, or unlicensed, taxicab. PPA officials repeatedly said that they had no choice but to enforce the law against Uber. “We have a statute that we have to uphold and enforce,” the director of the PPA’s Taxi and Limousine Division told PlanPhilly in 2014.

The PPA even sued over Uber’s illegality, and won. Court of Common Pleas Judge Linda Carpenter agreed that UberX was operating illegally as a hack taxicab company and assessed ongoing penalties for noncompliance that totaled around $1 million as of today’s announcement.

As part of the 90-day non-enforcement agreement, Uber and the PPA are settling that lawsuit, which Uber had appealed. Instead of $1 million, Uber will pay $350,000, which will only be paid upon the enactment of statewide legislation to legalize Transportation Network Companies (TNCs) like Uber and Lyft in Philadelphia. That bill is currently stalled in Harrisburg, as state legislators continue to battle over the budget and local education advocates push to see more money, from TNC regulatory and licensing fees, go to Philadelphia schools.

Lyft is excluded from the agreement and may—or may not—find itself still in the PPA’s regulatory crosshairs. “As of right now they are not part of this agreement, and they're not subject to this statement, said PPA General Counsel Dennis Weldon. Through a spokesperson, Lyft said the company is continuing to work with the PPA.

When asked whether the PPA was too generous to the multibillion dollar company by reducing a nearly $1 million in damages down two-thirds, PPA General Counsel Dennis Weldon said, “It’s a negotiation process. There was a lot of give and take.”

So why the change? The PPA points to the upcoming Democratic National Convention and the recent sidelining of a third of SEPTA’s regional rail fleet as reasons why more transportation options are needed in Philadelphia.

“We're a regulatory agency, number one,” said Fenerty. “Number two, there is a basic agreement between Uber and the Parking Authority in terms of what we would like to see in the legislation.”

“Our attorneys on both sides have agreed that we can take this step for 90 days,” said Fenerty. “It's more like a probationary period, and we'll use this probationary period to make Philadelphia shine."

Still, the authority previously and repeatedly said that it was bound to their statutory obligations, that it was doing “everything” it could to enforce those statutes, and that it was stuck enforcing the law until Harrisburg changed them.

That could be a problem for the PPA. Razak and Blount’s lawsuit threats may have firm legal standing.

First, Fenerty defended the agreement with Uber on the grounds that a TNC legalization bill has nearly passed the state legislature. “The difference today is that we have an agreement on legislation that both the Parking Authority, Uber and Lyft participated in,” said Fenerty. “We expected it to be legalized by the end of June. It has not happened.”

And because of the DNC and SEPTA’s regional rail problems, the PPA decided to act in making “this exception to the law.” Deciding to ignore existing law because there is pending legislation to change it may make a certain amount of operational sense, but it also sounds as though the PPA, a regulatory authority, could be acting in a legislative manner and therefore exceeding its executive discretion.

Second, the PPA effectively announced that it would selectively enforce statutes against certain groups but not others. While regulatory authorities have lots of leeway on how much time, effort, and money they want to spend on enforcing regulations, they run afoul of the14th Amendment’s equal protection guarantees when they pick and choose which individuals to regulate.

At the crux of any potential equal protection litigation would be whether the regulatory agency has a “rational basis that furthers a legitimate government purpose” for treating taxis and limos differently from UberX, which will avoid the burdensome regulations and pay hefty licensing fees applied to taxis and limos.

While the difference between Lyft and Uber amounts to little more than marketing at this point—making the likelihood of finding a legal distinction even harder—Lyft is unlikely to pursue any lawsuit against the PPA.

Still, such lawsuits would be complicated affairs susceptible to a number of affirmative, preliminary defenses, including the question of standing: It’s unclear whether a taxi owner or driver can claim they are discriminated against when regulations aren’t enforced against someone else. Even if a lawsuit against the PPA were successful, it could take years and the damage award could be small.
 

Nitedriver

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The PPA’s thoughts about cab drivers: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Remember how the Daily News broke a story showing collusion between the PPA and taxis to keep UberX illegal in Philly? Well, the PPA doesn’t seem to care as much about the cab industry anymore.

“The cab drivers might not be happy,” Fenerty said, “but this is a free market.”

That answer probably won’t sit well with the cab industry. Asked about an agreement between Uber and the PPA yesterday, Ronald Blount, leader of the Taxi Workers Alliance of Pennsylvania, said, “I think it’s bad. I think the legislators should do it.”

Cab drivers have already announced they would not strike during the DNC.
 

5StarPartner

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I'm at a bind about all of this... See the losers in all of this are you guys... It'll just give another rate cut down the line. PPA wants to legalize? Sure we all knew it was coming. Uber wrote PPA $350,000 check and that sealed the deal. My profits as an owner and driver have never been this high in past 8 summers. So I have no reason to complain. If the PPA thinks they'll ever see medallion fees out of any owner, they're out of their minds. Raised to $2000 per medallion this year. It's insane. However we all know uber is not the answer. Simply cannot make a living driving UberX. Cab drivers are still the only ones coming away with $300-$400 a shift in their pockets.

As far as my views as a professional on the DNC, trust me it won't be as lucrative as everyone thinks. It'll be like the Pope visit. All hype and a giant bust. There will be work but not enough to go with the hype. Remember, these people have no patience for uber. They hop in a cab and go. I see this more and more especially during the religious convention this week...

I'm not going to rip anyone on here anymore. I just wish you guys were smarter than to drive for Uber. It simply isn't sustainable.
 
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