Uber Just Gave Themselves Yet Another Raise & Lied to Us While Doing It

RedoBeach

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Did anyone else happen to notice Uber is now deducting the full booking fee out of your final payout? Remember in February when they raised the booking fee and promised the driver would never pay the additional $ they are charging? Well they're doing it now.. The full $1.75 is coming out of your payout.

P.S. They're also claiming their booking fees as part of your income so you can be held liable for the taxes, even though you get no part of it. Just a head's up.
 
Noticed it this morning after finalizing my week :mad: I was about to explode and this time quit Fubering/Lyfting for real.... but then something happened.... I remember that probably I wouldn't be able to find another Part-time job like Fubering where I can control my schedule as I please. Getting to meet interesting pals and gals :oopsies: all that good stuff that makes us Fuber/Lyfties Drivers
 

UberAnt39

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Noticed it this morning after finalizing my week :mad: I was about to explode and this time quit Fubering/Lyfting for real.... but then something happened.... I remember that probably I wouldn't be able to find another Part-time job like Fubering where I can control my schedule as I please. Getting to meet interesting pals and gals :oopsies: all that good stuff that makes us Fuber/Lyfties Drivers
The Uber shills are so confident now they're even openly sneering at the drivers.
 

SRGuy

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Did anyone else happen to notice Uber is now deducting the full booking fee out of your final payout? Remember in February when they raised the booking fee and promised the driver would never pay the additional $ they are charging? Well they're doing it now.. The full $1.75 is coming out of your payout.

P.S. They're also claiming their booking fees as part of your income so you can be held liable for the taxes, even though you get no part of it. Just a head's up.
Where do you see the details on the payout? On min fare shorties all I see is $5 - $1.25 = $3.75 i.e. the extra $0.20 is not showing. They CLAIM they charge $6.75-$1.75
 

tohunt4me

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Did anyone else happen to notice Uber is now deducting the full booking fee out of your final payout? Remember in February when they raised the booking fee and promised the driver would never pay the additional $ they are charging? Well they're doing it now.. The full $1.75 is coming out of your payout.

P.S. They're also claiming their booking fees as part of your income so you can be held liable for the taxes, even though you get no part of it. Just a head's up.
Vile despicable reptillian enclave of writhing parasites !
 

Strange Fruit

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They are taking it from mine. I still get ge same 86.25 cents per mile, 16.5 cents per minute. And we don't get taxed on the booking fee. You deduct those at the end, just like you deduct the supposed 25% Uberfees. It's like the other 5 million that I didn't get and therefore am not taxed on. Not that I paid taxes, but this is a weird thread. The booking fee affects us not at all, unless u do taxes and then I guess ur affected to the degree that you have to look at the dollar amount. And if it was me I'd be really annoyrd I have to do arithmetic with that number cuz why even include it in our supposed revenue or whatever? But they aren't taking it from our pay. If you drive 10 miles in 10 minutes you still make $8.60+$1.65+ $1.50(base fare). You don't make that much, minus any booking fee. This is how it has been since before he booking fee. We get paid per minute and mile. The first booking fee actually cut out of our minimum fare, but all subsequent booking fee raises did not. Including the latest one to $1.75. None of them took from yr per minute and mile. Redo is like the anti-shill.
are you sure? that sounds really bad.
They also claim the 25% uberfee as yr income, but it's not taxable income. U deduct it as an expense cuz u had to pay it to yr partner, Uber. They pretend that we are being paid by riders and that Uber takes the money for us. Then they keep a booking fee and 25% of the rest, as if we are paying it to them for their service. So we deduct the booking and 25% fee from our taxable income, as if they were expenses (I Want my 20% back!:mad::mad::mad::mad:)
I don't get why she goes pages to fight about employment tax legalese in a sandwhich type fight with the rainbow doggy, but can't recognize something this simple. It's confusing. Maybe they are doing this to her and she's the only one. All I know for sure is I still get paid the full amount or per mile & minute.

And people should stop paying federal taxes. You are funding terrorism.
 

Disgusted Driver

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Uber is evil but you don't understand what you are supposed to do on your taxes. You take the booking fees off as an expense to calculate your income. There is no reason to pay tax on it.
 
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Roadster4

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Redo's point is totally valid. Consult with your CPA or Tax Attorney to better understand the implications of the change in your individual case.
 

nash801

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Noticed it this morning after finalizing my week :mad: I was about to explode and this time quit Fubering/Lyfting for real.... but then something happened.... I remember that probably I wouldn't be able to find another Part-time job like Fubering where I can control my schedule as I please. Getting to meet interesting pals and gals :oopsies: all that good stuff that makes us Fuber/Lyfties Drivers
You probably work for uber stuff or are new. You don't get to control your schedule because a trip can take you far away with no preparation

I was replying to someone else's example but they deleted their post.
As you can too
 

RedoBeach

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are you sure? that sounds really bad.
Positive. I've received 3 1099's to date. Most drivers can understand why what would normally be a simply form indicating revenue becomes quite confusing the way Uber details it.

@Strangefruit
I understand I don't have to pay taxes on it, but that doesn't change the fact that Uber has been reporting it incorrectly. I've been filing self-employment taxes for 12 years, long before Uber, and I am quite familiar with how they work. They have admitted the problem and supposedly are working to resolve the issue (now after 5 years of doing so).

They are taking it from mine. I still get ge same 86.25 cents per mile, 16.5 cents per minute. And we don't get taxed on the booking fee. You deduct those at the end, just like you deduct the supposed 25% Uberfees. It's like the other 5 million that I didn't get and therefore am not taxed on. Not that I paid taxes, but this is a weird thread. The booking fee affects us not at all, unless u do taxes and then I guess ur affected to the degree that you have to look at the dollar amount. And if it was me I'd be really annoyrd I have to do arithmetic with that number cuz why even include it in our supposed revenue or whatever? But they aren't taking it from our pay. If you drive 10 miles in 10 minutes you still make $8.60+$1.65+ $1.50(base fare). You don't make that much, minus any booking fee. This is how it has been since before he booking fee. We get paid per minute and mile. The first booking fee actually cut out of our minimum fare, but all subsequent booking fee raises did not. Including the latest one to $1.75. None of them took from yr per minute and mile. Redo is like the anti-shill.

They also claim the 25% uberfee as yr income, but it's not taxable income. U deduct it as an expense cuz u had to pay it to yr partner, Uber. They pretend that we are being paid by riders and that Uber takes the money for us. Then they keep a booking fee and 25% of the rest, as if we are paying it to them for their service. So we deduct the booking and 25% fee from our taxable income, as if they were expenses (I Want my 20% back!:mad::mad::mad::mad:)
I don't get why she goes pages to fight about employment tax legalese in a sandwhich type fight with the rainbow doggy, but can't recognize something this simple. It's confusing. Maybe they are doing this to her and she's the only one. All I know for sure is I still get paid the full amount or per mile & minute.

And people should stop paying federal taxes. You are funding terrorism.
Maybe what you can't comprehend, because you're too busy trying to insult me rather than looking at the actual issue, is that Uber is now deducting extra money from every single trip, money that in February they promised not to when they raised the booking fee.

I don't know why that's difficult for your to understand, or why you feel it merits talking down to me as if you're the authority on all things life. I've never been the slightest bit nasty to you, so take your misdirected hostility and apply it elsewhere.

It doesn't matter if you get paid your time and mileage, they are still deducting additional fees from your pay that they promised not to. Remember how they also never used to deduct the booking fee from your fare at all, and then they decided it suits them better to have the driver pay it, instead of charging it to the rider in addition to the fare as the contract stated? Yeah.

Saying it doesn't matter because you still get paid time and mileage for the fare is like saying it doesn't matter if Uber's commission is 20% or 25% because you are still being paid time and distance so it's irrelevant. Oh wait, you dont miss your 5% Strangefruit, or do you?
 

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RedoBeach

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Uber is evil but you don't understand what you are supposed to do on your taxes. You take the booking fees off as an expense to calculate your income. There is no reason to pay tax on it.
It's not about my taxes, I've got that handled. It has to do with why Uber reports them the way they do. When I pay commissions to my clients for referrals, they don't include those amounts on my 1099's as part of my income. I report them on 1099's as part of THEIR income.
 

Roadster4

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Driver Partner Agreement

RASIER, LLC
ADDENDUM

Last update: May 22, 2017

You entered into a Technology Services Agreement with Rasier, LLC or one of its affiliates (“Company”, “we” or “us”) for the use of the Uber Services in connection with your Transportation Services (as amended, the “Agreement”). This is an addendum to that Agreement that updates fare and payment terms and replaces Section 4 (Financial Terms) of the Agreement in its entirety. By clicking “Yes, I agree”, you agree to be bound by the additional terms below.

Capitalized terms used herein but not defined shall have the meanings ascribed to them in the Agreement, and, for the purposes of this addendum, “Ride” shall have the same meaning as “Transportation Services” and “Rider” shall have the same meaning as “User”. Except where modified above, the remainder of the Agreement shall remain unchanged. This addendum replaces and supersedes any “Service Fee Addendum” or “Service Fee Schedule” that you have previously agreed to.

Section 4 of the Agreement is replaced in its entirety with the following:

4. Financial Terms

4.1 Fares. You are entitled to a Fare for each Ride that you provide, where “Fare” is a base fare amount
plus actual distance and/or time amounts (or as required by applicable law), provided that distance
and/or time amounts may be predetermined in certain situations, such as for flat rate and minimum
fare trips, or estimated where GPS information for that trip is unavailable. Fares vary by region
(detailed at partners.uber.com), may vary depending on local supply and demand, and may also be
adjusted in our discretion based on local market factors. We will provide you with notice of any
change to any base fare or applicable distance and/or time amounts, as well as flat rate and
minimum trip fares, and by continuing to use the Uber Services, you are deemed to accept these
changes. The Fare does not include gratuity. Additionally, even though we often separately advertise
and market the Uber Services and other products and services generally (including discounts or
promotions to Riders that reduce what they ultimately pay for a Ride), this does not entitle you to
any additional payment.

Unless we indicate to you otherwise, for each Ride, the Rider will pay an amount that includes the
Fare, applicable Tolls, applicable fees retained by us, and applicable taxes and surcharges, as well as
the Service Fee described in Paragraph 4.4 below (collectively, the “Rider Payment”). You appoint us
as your disclosed limited payment collection agent solely to accept the Rider Payment from Riders
via the Uber Services’ payment processing functionality, and the Rider Payment to us (acting as your
agent) is treated the same as if that Rider paid you directly for that Ride. The Rider Payment is the
only payment that will be made to you by a Rider for a particular Ride. By accepting a Ride, you
indicate your agreement to charge the Rider Payment at the amount recommended by us as your
agent. The Fare portion of the Rider Payment shall operate as a default, but following completion of
a Ride you are entitled to request to charge a lower Fare, and we will consider these requests in
good faith
. Your Fares and applicable Tolls will be remitted to you on at least a weekly basis. If you have
agreed to any other amounts being deducted from your Fares with any party (such as vehicle
financing or lease payments, or mobile device charges), those amounts will be deducted before
remittance to you, and we may determine the order of these other deductions if allowed by law.
If reasonable, we may adjust a particular Rider Payment (including the Fare portion) for reasons
such as inefficient routes, failure to properly end a Ride or technical error on our Services. In more
serious situations, such as fraud, charges for Rides that did not take place or Rider complaints, we
may cancel or refund a Rider Payment entirely (including the Fare portion). If a Rider cancels their
Ride prior to your arrival at the pick-up location, we may charge that Rider a cancellation fee on your
behalf, and in this case the cancellation fee will be treated the same as a Rider Payment for
completed Rides.


4.2 Receipts. The Uber Services provide you with a system for delivering receipts to your Riders. At the
end of a Ride, the receipt will be electronically delivered to your Rider on your behalf. It includes a
breakdown of amounts charged and certain information about you and that Ride (including your
details and the route taken). If you think a correction should be made to the amounts charged, you
must let us know in writing within 15 business days after the Ride took place or we will have no
further responsibility and you waive your right to later dispute the amounts charged.


4.3 Taxes. You are required to follow applicable law regarding your tax registration, calculation and
remittance obligations for your Rides and provide us with all relevant tax information. You are
responsible for taxes on your own income. Based on applicable tax or regulatory considerations, we
may choose in our reasonable discretion to collect and remit taxes applicable to your Rides, and may
provide any of the relevant tax information you have given us directly to the applicable tax
authorities on your behalf or otherwise. For the purpose of this section, references to “tax” includes
federal and state income, gross receipts, sales and self-employment taxes, and similar charges.

4.4 Our Service Fee. In consideration of your use of the Uber Services, you will pay us a service fee
(“Service Fee”) that is on a per-Ride basis. For each Ride, the Service Fee equals the Rider Payment
minus: (a) the Fare; (b) Tolls; (c) any other fees retained by us (e.g., booking fee); and (d) applicable
taxes and surcharges. In the event of a Ride where the Fare is greater than the Rider Payment
(excluding fees retained by us, and taxes and surcharges), no Service Fee will be charged for that
Ride. In such case, any excess amounts that you receive will be shown as an adjustment to your
Service Fee(s) (or if necessary, as an adjustment to another payment owed to you)
.

What a horrible change for partners. The only way a driver would be Okay with this change is when she/he pays no attention or don't understanding it fully or don't care about getting paid a lot less!

As some people suggested Uber should change its name to PayPal...
 
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RedoBeach

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Driver Partner Agreement

RASIER, LLC
ADDENDUM

Last update: May 22, 2017

You entered into a Technology Services Agreement with Rasier, LLC or one of its affiliates (“Company”, “we” or “us”) for the use of the Uber Services in connection with your Transportation Services (as amended, the “Agreement”). This is an addendum to that Agreement that updates fare and payment terms and replaces Section 4 (Financial Terms) of the Agreement in its entirety. By clicking “Yes, I agree”, you agree to be bound by the additional terms below.

Capitalized terms used herein but not defined shall have the meanings ascribed to them in the Agreement, and, for the purposes of this addendum, “Ride” shall have the same meaning as “Transportation Services” and “Rider” shall have the same meaning as “User”. Except where modified above, the remainder of the Agreement shall remain unchanged. This addendum replaces and supersedes any “Service Fee Addendum” or “Service Fee Schedule” that you have previously agreed to.

Section 4 of the Agreement is replaced in its entirety with the following:

4. Financial Terms

4.1 Fares. You are entitled to a Fare for each Ride that you provide, where “Fare” is a base fare amount
plus actual distance and/or time amounts (or as required by applicable law), provided that distance
and/or time amounts may be predetermined in certain situations, such as for flat rate and minimum
fare trips, or estimated where GPS information for that trip is unavailable. Fares vary by region
(detailed at partners.uber.com), may vary depending on local supply and demand, and may also be
adjusted in our discretion based on local market factors. We will provide you with notice of any
change to any base fare or applicable distance and/or time amounts, as well as flat rate and
minimum trip fares, and by continuing to use the Uber Services, you are deemed to accept these
changes. The Fare does not include gratuity. Additionally, even though we often separately advertise
and market the Uber Services and other products and services generally (including discounts or
promotions to Riders that reduce what they ultimately pay for a Ride), this does not entitle you to
any additional payment.

Unless we indicate to you otherwise, for each Ride, the Rider will pay an amount that includes the
Fare, applicable Tolls, applicable fees retained by us, and applicable taxes and surcharges, as well as
the Service Fee described in Paragraph 4.4 below (collectively, the “Rider Payment”). You appoint us
as your disclosed limited payment collection agent solely to accept the Rider Payment from Riders
via the Uber Services’ payment processing functionality, and the Rider Payment to us (acting as your
agent) is treated the same as if that Rider paid you directly for that Ride. The Rider Payment is the
only payment that will be made to you by a Rider for a particular Ride. By accepting a Ride, you
indicate your agreement to charge the Rider Payment at the amount recommended by us as your
agent. The Fare portion of the Rider Payment shall operate as a default, but following completion of
a Ride you are entitled to request to charge a lower Fare, and we will consider these requests in
good faith
. Your Fares and applicable Tolls will be remitted to you on at least a weekly basis. If you have
agreed to any other amounts being deducted from your Fares with any party (such as vehicle
financing or lease payments, or mobile device charges), those amounts will be deducted before
remittance to you, and we may determine the order of these other deductions if allowed by law.
If reasonable, we may adjust a particular Rider Payment (including the Fare portion) for reasons
such as inefficient routes, failure to properly end a Ride or technical error on our Services. In more
serious situations, such as fraud, charges for Rides that did not take place or Rider complaints, we
may cancel or refund a Rider Payment entirely (including the Fare portion). If a Rider cancels their
Ride prior to your arrival at the pick-up location, we may charge that Rider a cancellation fee on your
behalf, and in this case the cancellation fee will be treated the same as a Rider Payment for
completed Rides.


4.2 Receipts. The Uber Services provide you with a system for delivering receipts to your Riders. At the
end of a Ride, the receipt will be electronically delivered to your Rider on your behalf. It includes a
breakdown of amounts charged and certain information about you and that Ride (including your
details and the route taken). If you think a correction should be made to the amounts charged, you
must let us know in writing within 15 business days after the Ride took place or we will have no
further responsibility and you waive your right to later dispute the amounts charged.


4.3 Taxes. You are required to follow applicable law regarding your tax registration, calculation and
remittance obligations for your Rides and provide us with all relevant tax information. You are
responsible for taxes on your own income. Based on applicable tax or regulatory considerations, we
may choose in our reasonable discretion to collect and remit taxes applicable to your Rides, and may
provide any of the relevant tax information you have given us directly to the applicable tax
authorities on your behalf or otherwise. For the purpose of this section, references to “tax” includes
federal and state income, gross receipts, sales and self-employment taxes, and similar charges.

4.4 Our Service Fee. In consideration of your use of the Uber Services, you will pay us a service fee
(“Service Fee”) that is on a per-Ride basis. For each Ride, the Service Fee equals the Rider Payment
minus: (a) the Fare; (b) Tolls; (c) any other fees retained by us (e.g., booking fee); and (d) applicable
taxes and surcharges. In the event of a Ride where the Fare is greater than the Rider Payment
(excluding fees retained by us, and taxes and surcharges), no Service Fee will be charged for that
Ride. In such case, any excess amounts that you receive will be shown as an adjustment to your
Service Fee(s) (or if necessary, as an adjustment to another payment owed to you)
.

What a horrible change for partners. The only way a driver would be Okay with this change is when she/he pays no attention or don't understanding it fully or don't care about getting paid a lot less!

As some people suggested Uber should change its name to PayPal...
When did this come out? I still have the original contract from 2014 with only service fee addendums added on my account each time they reduced rates (2015 & 2016, respectively). My contract also states I will be paid base + time/distance or total minimum fare for EACH instance of passenger request for transportation completed. (That means the base fare and the minimum fare will be paid for each passenger trip, regardless of whether they are matched with other pool riders, like it used to be).

Additionally, the contract states that the booking fee is a SEPARATE fee charged to each rider on my behalf before it is deducted from the fare. (That means the booking fee is supposed to be zeroed out rather than deducted from driver earnings, as if the fee never existed +/- from the driver perspective). That's what they used to do, but somewhere along the way the driver began being held responsible for the fee, yet they never openly alerted drivers of this and my contract never changed. It was around the time they stopped showing the +/- of the booking fee on the driver dashboard receipt.

Obviously that was intentional to disguise their new method of sneaking additional funds from driver payout.
 

Roadster4

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When did this come out? I still have the original contract from 2014 with only service fee addendums added on my account each time they reduced rates (2015 & 2016, respectively). My contract also states I will be paid base + time/distance or total minimum fare for EACH instance of passenger request for transportation completed. (That means the base fare and the minimum fare will be paid for each passenger trip, regardless of whether they are matched with other pool riders, like it used to be).

Additionally, the contract states that the booking fee is a SEPARATE fee charged to each rider on my behalf before it is deducted from the fare. (That means the booking fee is supposed to be zeroed out rather than deducted from driver earnings, as if the fee never existed +/- from the driver perspective). That's what they used to do, but somewhere along the way the driver began being held responsible for the fee, yet they never openly alerted drivers of this and my contract never changed. It was around the time they stopped showing the +/- of the booking fee on the driver dashboard receipt.

Obviously that was intentional to disguise their new method of sneaking additional funds from driver payout.
I don't know when exactly. I received it through another partner in North America and as soon as I did I posted it here. I didn't get a chance to read it before posting it though. I thought you already had a copy of this and read it before posting the thread. I agree with your interpretation here. Let's see if the agreement will be the same in this area. By the way, if you click on the title "Driver Partner Agreement" you will see the entire agreement.
 

RedoBeach

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Where do you see the details on the payout? On min fare shorties all I see is $5 - $1.25 = $3.75 i.e. the extra $0.20 is not showing. They CLAIM they charge $6.75-$1.75
I don't know when exactly. I received it through another partner in North America and as soon as I did I posted it here. I didn't get a chance to read it before posting it though. I thought you already had a copy of this and read it before posting the thread. I agree with your interpretation here. Let's see if the agreement will be the same in this area. By the way, if you click on the title "Driver Partner Agreement" you will see the entire agreement.
I think you misunderstood me. I have the agreement and I have read the entire agreement, as well as have had an attorney friend read it.

What I was saying is that the agreement which I agreed to (the one attached to my driver portal) is different. The sections are the same, but the content has been altered in this newer agreement you posted here. I have screenshots of the important parts in my Icloud, but unfortunately I am temporarily using a crappy android phone so I cannot access them for reference here at the moment.

I'm fairly certain I've posted the screenshots pertaining to the above sections here before.

Zoey jasmine I love your dog.. is she a pittie?!
 

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