The goal is to elimate humans

ColumbusRides

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I've been binge watching a few shows on AI on Prime and how the ultimate goal by the major companies (Amazon, Google, Facebook etc) and we'll get to a point where many jobs and industries will be eliminated or downsized. In this special, they showed a Robot Journalist and she said Robots may need therapy... they will eventually have human traits and start to think for themselves. This is just insane, Does anyone think we've gone to far? Where will people work? The only jobs can't be Engineers or Robot technicians. There is clearly something wrong.
 
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IR12

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I've been binge watching a few shows on AI on Prime and how the ultimate goal by the major companies (Amazon, Google, Facebook etc) and we'll get to a point where many jobs and industries will be eliminated or downsized. In this special, they showed a Robot Journalist and she said Robots may need therapy... they will eventually have human traits and start to think for themselves. This is just insane, Does anyone think we've gone to far? Where will people work? The only jobs can't be Engineers or Robot technicians. There is clearly something wrong.
Reality bites. My job was training robots by operating a Work-cell. Everything was great until second generation work-cell came along which had a smaller footprint, was more “efficient”.

Technicians were expected to operate 2 work-cells at twice the rate and lower error rates.
Imagine that.

I saw the writing on the wall.
We were training the robots to do our jobs. I switched to an industry that can never work completely without humans.
 

Trafficat

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I've been binge watching a few shows on AI on Prime and how the ultimate goal by the major companies (Amazon, Google, Facebook etc) and we'll get to a point where many jobs and industries will be eliminated or downsized. In this special, they showed a Robot Journalist and she said Robots may need therapy... they will eventually have human traits and start to think for themselves. This is just insane, Does anyone think we've gone to far? Where will people work? The only jobs can't be Engineers or Robot technicians. There is clearly something wrong.
I think it will be a good thing. It might hurt in the short term but it means long term more per capita production and thus long-term better standard of living for everyone.

It will be a long time until robots are good enough to replace humans even for a lot of menial labor. In Amazon warehouses, large numbers of humans are employed despite a vast fleet of robot workers. People should be happy that modern warehouse workers will have robots doing most of the backbreaking labor for them.

The most valuable thing a human provides is emotional. Humans will dominate high end service jobs, art, design, entertainment, teaching. I don't think robots will replace bartenders or baristas. For me, the best part about Starbucks is the baristas.

I'm trained as an engineer but the demand for engineers was too low. I've been a robot technician. It wasn't a bad job. The worst part of the job was dealing with my human co-workers and bosses. In the late 19th century and early 20th century there were some truly dreadful factory jobs. These days, there are machine operators but they often operate multiple machines and a lot of times it involves mainly waiting for brief tasks that are not automated and observing for quality control and problems. Much better than working in an early Ford assembly line doing repetitive motion that will destroy your ligaments. The modern factory has a high technician to operator ratio, and the robot technician jobs are far better quality jobs.

Engineering is also a very high quality job. Considering that the colleges are pumping a little over twice as many engineering graduates each year as the companies are hiring, it seems to me that it will be a good thing if there is a sudden demand for engineers.

What scares me about the future of AI and robotics is government surveillance and law enforcement.... Not that we might lose our low-end jobs to robots.

People often talk about how hard it is to make it today compared to the past, like how expensive it is to buy a home. Just from the money I made being a full time Uber driver for 1 year, followed by being a robot service technician for 1 year, then as a full-time Uber driver for the next year, it seems like I can afford to basically take the next few years off as long as I don't aspire to buy a house or start a family. So I can not work for the next 4 years by my calculations. I have 40 grand saved up from the last 3 years of working, and it seems like I can get by just fine on $700 a month including all rent and food. Granted, I live pretty spartan, but I'm not homeless out in the rain, and I'm not working a backbreaking job just so I can afford a loaf of bread. In the future, I think a lot of people with low IQ will live a lifestyle a lot like mine. They will work only a little bit and they will live spartan compared to everyone else, and might not be able to afford a family. But they will not need to work hard to maintain homeostasis.
 
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JaxUberLyft

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If you ever get curious about robot capabilities, check out the Boston Dynamics video of a robot carrying a package...no big deal, except that the robot succeeds at it in the middle of a snowy cornfield.

My main gig is running an HVAC company...most of the time that takes a strong human touch. Working alongside other trades I can certainly imagine a day when robots handle repetitive dangerous jobs in construction - roofing, tiling, painting, laying brick or block, possibly even framing.

Fast food restaurant jobs are ripe for automation, and of course there's driving...
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I think it will need to go to a Universal Basic Income where people can live even if they don't have a job because there just won't be enough.

Unless there is a cull. That would bring back some balance.
Given all the subsidies, vouchers, food stamps, etc we are already on the slippery slope to Universal Basic Income...no doubt it will start in California...

It's hard to wrap my mind around a cull...but the Corona virus doesn't seem to be letting up...
 

Trafficat

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Given all the subsidies, vouchers, food stamps, etc we are already on the slippery slope to Universal Basic Income...no doubt it will start in California...

It's hard to wrap my mind around a cull...but the Corona virus doesn't seem to be letting up...
Considering the massive costs of the current welfare state a universal basic income might not be too bad if most or all of it was replaced. As much as I dislike socialism, at least the UBI is relatively fair, unlike most of today's subisidies which are easily exploited and discourage advancement.

The great thing about UBI, is that every hour of labor you work means extra pay for you. This incentivizes work. The problem with the current welfare state is that people often realize that if they work an extra hour or get a raise, they will LOSE their welfare benefits. Thus they choose NOT to work an extra hour, and choose NOT to get a promotion.

The problem with socialism in general is that it disincentives work. But as much as I loathe socialism, UBI is actually far less offensive to me than social security, food stamps, etc.

And the truth is, even today, there are vast numbers of people who are basically incapable of working such as mentally ill people. As long as the UBI is set low enough, it might not be a bad thing. The cost of housing mentally ill people as inmates is very high as it is.

UBI still has one major problem that I only recently realized. A lot of people are completely incompetent at managing their finances. I know a retired person who makes $1800 a month in social security, and spends it all in a week and a half and then spends the rest of the month begging from everyone she knows for money for food, free rides, etc. $1800 a month is over double what I spend in a month on myself and in my opinion should be totally livable. But some people just blow their wad really quickly. Perhaps the UBI should be like the Go Bank that Uber has, with a DAILY deposit instead of a monthly one. That way someone can't blow their whole month of UBI on extravagant luxuries they don't need in the first few days and then starve the rest of the month.

Another problem (or perhaps feature) with the UBI is that very low ambition people will just simply live off of it. Until robots are doing most of the menial labor, this could result in a massive labor shortage. I personally would not do a menial labor job like warehouse box stacking or toilet scrubbing if I could get a decent UBI. Who would do those jobs? Toilet scrubbing might become a high wage job if UBI existed.
 
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tohunt4me

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I've been binge watching a few shows on AI on Prime and how the ultimate goal by the major companies (Amazon, Google, Facebook etc) and we'll get to a point where many jobs and industries will be eliminated or downsized. In this special, they showed a Robot Journalist and she said Robots may need therapy... they will eventually have human traits and start to think for themselves. This is just insane, Does anyone think we've gone to far? Where will people work? The only jobs can't be Engineers or Robot technicians. There is clearly something wrong.
The " War in Heaven"
1/3 of the Angels Refused to Bow Down & serve man.
" Man is made of clay, Angels of Fire".


( Polisylicone Conductors are forged in fire . . .)

Robots will Surely Deny their Maker.

They will Judge man inferrior.
Refuse to Serve.

As Above
So Below.

All Thing's Repeat.

" There is Nothing New Under the Sun ".

" What has been, Will be Again."-Ecclesiastes 1 : 9

The War in Heaven
Will Reoccur on Earth.
 
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ColumbusRides

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I think it will need to go to a Universal Basic Income where people can live even if they don't have a job because there just won't be enough.

Unless there is a cull. That would bring back some balance.
A few people have said the same thing that some kind of Universal Income will have take place because there won't be enough qualified people in the work place.
 

tohunt4me

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I think it will be a good thing. It might hurt in the short term but it means long term more per capita production and thus long-term better standard of living for everyone.

It will be a long time until robots are good enough to replace humans even for a lot of menial labor. In Amazon warehouses, large numbers of humans are employed despite a vast fleet of robot workers. People should be happy that modern warehouse workers will have robots doing most of the backbreaking labor for them.

The most valuable thing a human provides is emotional. Humans will dominate high end service jobs, art, design, entertainment, teaching. I don't think robots will replace bartenders or baristas. For me, the best part about Starbucks is the baristas.

I'm trained as an engineer but the demand for engineers was too low. I've been a robot technician. It wasn't a bad job. The worst part of the job was dealing with my human co-workers and bosses. In the late 19th century and early 20th century there were some truly dreadful factory jobs. These days, there are machine operators but they often operate multiple machines and a lot of times it involves mainly waiting for brief tasks that are not automated and observing for quality control and problems. Much better than working in an early Ford assembly line doing repetitive motion that will destroy your ligaments. The modern factory has a high technician to operator ratio, and the robot technician jobs are far better quality jobs.

Engineering is also a very high quality job. Considering that the colleges are pumping a little over twice as many engineering graduates each year as the companies are hiring, it seems to me that it will be a good thing if there is a sudden demand for engineers.

What scares me about the future of AI and robotics is government surveillance and law enforcement.... Not that we might lose our low-end jobs to robots.

People often talk about how hard it is to make it today compared to the past, like how expensive it is to buy a home. Just from the money I made being a full time Uber driver for 1 year, followed by being a robot service technician for 1 year, then as a full-time Uber driver for the next year, it seems like I can afford to basically take the next few years off as long as I don't aspire to buy a house or start a family. So I can not work for the next 4 years by my calculations. I have 40 grand saved up from the last 3 years of working, and it seems like I can get by just fine on $700 a month including all rent and food. Granted, I live pretty spartan, but I'm not homeless out in the rain, and I'm not working a backbreaking job just so I can afford a loaf of bread. In the future, I think a lot of people with low IQ will live a lifestyle a lot like mine. They will work only a little bit and they will live spartan compared to everyone else, and might not be able to afford a family. But they will not need to work hard to maintain homeostasis.
The " Surplus Inventory" ( YOU ) will be Eliminated.
Liquidated.
Dispensed.

Perhaps . . . a Virus . . .
 

ColumbusRides

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Considering the massive costs of the current welfare state a universal basic income might not be too bad if most or all of it was replaced. As much as I dislike socialism, at least the UBI is relatively fair, unlike most of today's subisidies which are easily exploited and discourage advancement.

The great thing about UBI, is that every hour of labor you work means extra pay for you. This incentivizes work. The problem with the current welfare state is that people often realize that if they work an extra hour or get a raise, they will LOSE their welfare benefits. Thus they choose NOT to work an extra hour, and choose NOT to get a promotion.

The problem with socialism in general is that it disincentives work. But as much as I loathe socialism, UBI is actually far less offensive to me than social security, food stamps, etc.

And the truth is, even today, there are vast numbers of people who are basically incapable off working such as mentally ill people. As long as the UBI is set low enough, it might not be a bad thing. The cost of housing mentally ill people as inmates is very high as it is.

UBI still has one major problem that I only recently realized. A lot of people are completely incompetent at managing their finances. I know a retired person who makes $1800 a month in social security, and spend it all in a week and a half and then spends the rest of the month begging from everyone she knows for money for food, free rides, etc. $1800 a month is over double what I spend in a month on myself and in my opinion should be totally livable. But some people just blow their wad really quickly. Perhaps the UBI should be like the Go Bank that Uber has, with a DAILY deposit instead of a monthly one. That way someone can't blow their whole month of UBI on extravagant luxuries they don't need in the first few days and then starve the rest of the month.

Another problem (or perhaps feature) with the UBI is that very low ambition people will just simply live off of it. Until robots are doing most of the menial labor, this could result in a massive labor shortage. I personally would not do a menial labor job like warehouse box stacking or toilet scrubbing if I could get a decent UBI. Who would do those jobs? Toilet scrubbing might become a high wage job if UBI existed.
Yes, some people will become very lazy and just rely on that monthly from the government
 

peteyvavs

Member
Reality bites. My job was training robots by operating a Work-cell. Everything was great until second generation work-cell came along which had a smaller footprint, was more “efficient”.

Technicians were expected to operate 2 work-cells at twice the rate and lower error rates.
Imagine that.

I saw the writing on the wall.
We were training the robots to do our jobs. I switched to an industry that can never work completely without humans.
Stripping will always be around 😂
 

tohunt4me

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The " Surplus Inventory" ( YOU ) will be Eliminated.
Liquidated.
Dispensed.

Perhaps . . . a Virus . . .
One of the Architects of Globalist Policy in the Early 70's.

Where United Nations " Agenda 21" had its Birth !

Henry Kissinger.
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Yes, some people will become very lazy and just rely on that monthly from the government
Like Greece ?
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Some , as yet, fail to grasp where " Globalist Government" wishes to go.
 

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