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The end of work and the rise of robots.

Karl Marx

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Humanity started by an agricultural revolution, after that it evolved to an industrial revolution. Now these days we people are selling our skills, education and time.
In the next decade a lot of jobs will be replaced by machines and robots. Eventually, the first on the line would be Labor Jobs.

I think they will have to pay somehow for all the welfare checks
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/opinion/the-robot-revolution-will-be-the-quietest-one.html?contentCollection=smarter-living&hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The elites are out of touch and with no plans to introduce basic income. Neoliberalism and Robotics will be a nastier synergy than was 2008 melt down. Capitalism and Neoliberalism have merged and our destroying the planet.
George Orwell's 1984 big brother comes to mind.
 

Karl Marx

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George Orwell's 1984 big brother comes to mind.
"Americans were so terrified of 1984 that they went and built it." Unknown
We need to quickly get back Edward Snowden so he can help of prepare for the new digital threats, an area of work that will expand in the coming months and years. Russians probably won't let him leave Moscow.
 
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In the 3rd year of Trump administration and with the layoffs coming fast and furious he will need to tell Americans that in order to keep
some employment people will need to work for less than the cost of machines. His supporters will be confused, hungry and angry. Food stamp aid
will be expanded to Americans who were once in the clerical ranks with college educations. My biggest concern is the impact of FinTech in large cities like NY, Raleigh, Chicago, Philadelphia and LA. Bank and gov't workers might not be as compliant or willing to go quietly into the economic maelstrom.
Intelligent machines will do away with complex administrative tasks at research heavy higher ed and hospitals, strange as it may seem, these workers have little knowledge of what is about to happen to them. Many will have pensions to fall back on but many younger workers will not. The societal burden these newly minted unemployed will create, will further ad to the downward pressure on wages, for the remaining work available.
 
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I think I recall in 1984 there was a computer named HAL
Which was just alphabetically a letter off from IBM, who provided a more efficient means for the Holocaust, which may have not even happened according to some; I don't know what's more frightening, mass murder on that scale, or faking mass murder on that scale.
HAL
IBM .. hollotta coincidint goinon hurr
JCN
KDO
 

Sam023

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Do these big companies and their CEOs understand that you need people with jobs, so they can go and buy stuff from their store.

Companies like McDonald's and Walmart is all about cost cutting and labor automation. Which will put millions of people out of work. However, those are the very people who goes to their stores to eat and buy stuff. In few years, you will have everything automated but their store will be empty because you will have millions of people unemployed and economy is in depression.
 

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They feed off welfare, Walmart workers are on food stamps, McDonald's is the lowest form of food and work, I boycott both as much as possible. When the technology catches up to the poor folks they won't go there either.
Besides, UN needs to eliminate 5B people to save the quality of life for the rest.
 

Karl Marx

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I think I recall in 1984 there was a computer named HAL
Which was just alphabetically a letter off from IBM, who provided a more efficient means for the Holocaust, which may have not even happened according to some; I don't know what's more frightening, mass murder on that scale, or faking mass murder on that scale.
HAL
IBM .. hollotta coincidint goinon hurr
JCN
KDO
I remember my former boss Paul Corbett who published the American edition of Orwell's 1984 with Harcourt Brace and World telling us on his retirement that his biggest regret was publishing Orwell's book.
 
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Karl Marx

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Do these big companies and their CEOs understand that you need people with jobs, so they can go and buy stuff from their store.

Companies like McDonald's and Walmart is all about cost cutting and labor automation. Which will put millions of people out of work. However, those are the very people who goes to their stores to eat and buy stuff. In few years, you will have everything automated but their store will be empty because you will have millions of people unemployed and economy is in depression.
Capitalism biggest failure in aftermath of 2008 is that there is not enough demand. The helicopter money to the banks ( QE 1,2,3,4, .... ) and other financial institutions is best characterized as too much and far too too late. In this new Post Capitalism era the invisible hand model is now devouring its' own structural constructs. Hayek's model of Neoliberalism in his book Road To Serfdom never took into account the inevitable end days of unfettered free market capitalism. Every system, by its' very nature, be it man made or natural states, have periods of dis-equilibrium. Paul Mason appears to be one of the very few people that has some ideas that might help us out of this transition to a new socialism. Exploitive systems always implode and the end dates are never in the mind of elites. Sometimes revolutions happen with the slightest provocation. Perhaps it could be as simple as stupid tweet.
 
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Karl Marx

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Karl.....

I want you to post something positive tomorrow. I read your linked articles and they are all depressing.
Won't be posting for a while. I am about to embark on a tour of collapsed empires and doing some AI research. Be back January 5th and I promise I will post something up lifting. In the meantime, have a Happy Holiday and don't drink and tweet. :smiles:
 

Sam22

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I agree with you Karl, all the current political atmosphere predicts a new world order.
No more printing US bills to cover the failure of capitalism, besides, the only reason that they are still able to do it is because oil is traded in US dollars.
 

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I really find his posts educative and cliver. This is the internet and every one can be the way he can be as long he doesn't break the forums rules. So if the moderator didn't repression him please don't judge a person with a great vision.

Thank you and happy holidays,
 

Karl Marx

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Karl has been taken for AI research
They are probing him
We are doomed
Going to take me some time to recoup and collect my thoughts. Travelled to Chile,( Easter Island ), Argentina and Uruguay. All these countries are in either severe economic or political crisis. The impact of climate change has had severe consequences in Chile where rivers are quickly drying up. The most uplifting aspect of my trip is that people everywhere sense that economic change is in the winds and that capitalism has finally run its' course. I will be using the history of the people of Easter Island as my comparison point to discuss the collapse of capitalism.
 

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I can appreciate their optimism.
Its' been several days since my return from my end of the world trip. From my travels of the last 3 weeks one of the biggest threats to global security and economies is clean and plentiful supplies of water. Rivers throughout Patagonia are drying up and climate change is having profound impacts. Chile is the only country in the world where water is completely privatized.

Present damn projects and 10 new large dams under construction are all unsustainable and will play environmental havoc throughout Chiles southern regions. The capitalist model and environmental sustainability are incompatible. Chile needs massive investments in renewable energy. Hedge funds and large capital pools have made the fight even more complex and communities are torn apart by massive lobbying by multinationals. Corruptions is endemic throughout South America and even more so in countries like Chile that still have many rivers with hydro electric potential.

South American indigenous populations have even less popular political support than American or Canadian first nations peoples. Chiles' water code needs to be completely reformed. Like most of regions Chile and Argentina's glaciers are also under threat. While navigating the Beagle Channel and Magellan Straits it was with a geologist who had been doing the same trip for the last last 12 years and as we were sailing through he was aghast at how much ice was lost this past year. AI will help us in climate change predictions as man made causes amplify its' exponential affects. One of the intriguing thigs about Chile is that the impact of climate change has created 100's of new micro climates.

Professor William Ruddiman has been at the fringes of climate science for many years and only recently has had his research validated. As data evidence accumulates, that man indeed has been a contributing factor to a warming planet, for not just the past 200 hundred, but rather the last several thousand years we will need to change many of our present predictive models. http://www.humansandnature.org/william-ruddiman-and-the-ruddiman-hypothesis

Capitalism has out grown its' usefulness to both humans and the planet. At the present rate of destruction we could be facing ecological and political collapses around the planet not just in the next decades but rather in the few years. Many political observers blame directly the causes of the Syrian conflict to the severe water shortages now facing the middle east.

With all the advances being made in machine learning we will need to focus this new technology to helping us adapt to climate change and its catastrophic impacts in the years ahead. More importantly we will now need to refocus our economic systems to work for the common good rather than the greed, consumption and waste model we know as Neoliberalism. The massive dislocation of entire populations throughout the Middle East, sub Sahara Africa, India and smaller Island Nations will need to be discussed and planned. As Karl Marx said, "All history is real estate." To realize that coastal cities and even marginal real estate is to become history we now find ourselves overwhelmed with the consequences of climate change.

As a person who has lived through one of the most technological sets of advances in the history of mankind it has been my disappointment to have been apart of the most destructive aspects of Neoliberalism and only now realizing the consequences. My working academic life was in many ways a perpetuation of a unhealthy ideology. My life now must be to curb and eliminate the excesses and outright evil that capitalism has created.

Trump is desperate to bring back the American auto industry. He fails to realize we need quick, efficient, mass transit and high speed rail. Casino capitalism has run its course and now we need planned and environmentally sound policies if we are to avert cataclysmic climate disruption. Strangely the American voters seem to think a 'Atlantic City' repeat is just what the doctor ordered.

The monied elites have failed us and the planet at every point in the last 30 years, why do Americans think another billionaire can bail them out of a rapidly sinking Neoliberal ship now?

Uber represents everything that is wrong about the way we move and live. Self driving fleets of cars are not the answer to failed Neoliberal policies. We need to mobilize are intellectual capital and our vast wealth to show the world there is a better, cleaner and more sustainable way to live our lives.
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