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TFL Driver caught in Bristol

Sa99d

New Member
A TFL driver was caught using Bristol licenced vehicle.

Plying for hire offence and driving a vehicle which he isn't licenced for.

Yikes - Our Taxi cop had a field day that day lol
 

UberLuxbod

Well-Known Member
Moderator
High Court has already ruled that using the Uber App is not P4H.

Are you syggesting that a Driver who still had a TFL PH Lic was caught driving a Taxi illegally in Bristol?

Because a PH Driver ceases to be an "Uber driver" when he isn't working for them.

Just because this driver has at some point worked for Uber doesn't mean he is forever an Uber driver.

What if he also worked for Carrot Cars?

Or Excel Executive?

Or Datacars?

Or Addison Lee?

Or Tristar?

Or if he once drove a Bus for Stagecoach?
 

MagicOne

Member
High Court has already ruled that using the Uber App is not P4H.

Are you syggesting that a Driver who still had a TFL PH Lic was caught driving a Taxi illegally in Bristol?

Because a PH Driver ceases to be an "Uber driver" when he isn't working for them.

Just because this driver has at some point worked for Uber doesn't mean he is forever an Uber driver.

What if he also worked for Carrot Cars?

Or Excel Executive?

Or Datacars?

Or Addison Lee?

Or Tristar?

Or if he once drove a Bus for Stagecoach?

Probably an ex LBC Driver who went Private Hire. Anyway, if we can a link please OP. There again, forget it.
 

Ruffius

Well-Known Member
High Court has already ruled that using the Uber App is not P4H.

Are you syggesting that a Driver who still had a TFL PH Lic was caught driving a Taxi illegally in Bristol?

Because a PH Driver ceases to be an "Uber driver" when he isn't working for them.

Just because this driver has at some point worked for Uber doesn't mean he is forever an Uber driver.

What if he also worked for Carrot Cars?

Or Excel Executive?

Or Datacars?

Or Addison Lee?

Or Tristar?

Or if he once drove a Bus for Stagecoach?
It’s illegal. Cross border needs the triple license in your world so totally illegal. No surprise you disagree.
In my world cross border ubering lacks enforcement as work must be sub contract from a local firm.
 

Anon2014

Well-Known Member
Triple licencing and cross border hire has become a bit of a grey and murky area and needs to be tested in the higher courts. Don't know if the case in Reading clarified the situation.
 

UberLuxbod

Well-Known Member
Moderator
It’s illegal. Cross border needs the triple license in your world so totally illegal. No surprise you disagree.
In my world cross border ubering lacks enforcement as work must be sub contract from a local firm.
Not my opinion

It’s the opinion of the High Court.

Reading BC took a TFL Licenses Ph driver to Magistrate Court because he was sat in Reading with he Uber App on

They took him to court for illegally plying for Hire

Reading BC lost the case at Magistrate Court and appealed to the High Court.

The High Court agreed with the Magistrate and refused further appeal to the Supreme Court.

If you read this months PHTM the summary of what the Judge Flaux’s decision is there.

There is another Judgement that stated if an Operator in Area A also had an Op Lic in Area B they could send an App based booking to a Driver Licensed in Area A to a pickup in Area B.

However any PH Operator in London can take a booking anywhere in the Country as long as the Booking Centre is located inside the TFL area.

That’s just how it is.

And why a specific Operator from Kent does most of their work inside London, the bookings are made via their Office in Kent, near Rochester.
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Triple licencing and cross border hire has become a bit of a grey and murky area and needs to be tested in the higher courts. Don't know if the case in Reading clarified the situation.
It clarified that a London PH Driver signed into the Uber App was not P4H, not just by a Magistrate but the decision confirmed by a High Court Judge.

That is a pretty significant bit of Case Law
 
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Harold Shand

Well-Known Member
Not my opinion

It’s the opinion of the High Court.

Reading BC took a TFL Licenses Ph driver to Magistrate Court because he was sat in Reading with he Uber App on

They took him to court for illegally plying for Hire

Reading BC lost the case at Magistrate Court and appealed to the High Court.

The High Court agreed with the Magistrate and refused further appeal to the Supreme Court.

If you read this months PHTM the summary of what the Judge Flaux’s decision is there.

There is another Judgement that stated if an Operator in Area A also had an Op Lic in Area B they could send an App based booking to a Driver Licensed in Area A to a pickup in Area B.

However any PH Operator in London can take a booking anywhere in the Country as long as the Booking Centre is located inside the TFL area.

That’s just how it is.

And why a specific Operator from Kent does most of their work inside London, the bookings are made via their Office in Kent, near Rochester.
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It clarified that a London PH Driver signed into the Uber App was not P4H, not just by a Magistrate but the decision confirmed by a High Court Judge.

That is a pretty significant bit of Case Law
Maybe not for long. An excerpt from a DOT document :
26. The representations propose amending the legislation such that PHVs which go into a neighbouring district to undertake or complete a hiring must return to their home district before being assigned another job by the operator.
 

London's Finest

Well-Known Member
Not my opinion

It’s the opinion of the High Court.

Reading BC took a TFL Licenses Ph driver to Magistrate Court because he was sat in Reading with he Uber App on

They took him to court for illegally plying for Hire

Reading BC lost the case at Magistrate Court and appealed to the High Court.

The High Court agreed with the Magistrate and refused further appeal to the Supreme Court.

If you read this months PHTM the summary of what the Judge Flaux’s decision is there.

There is another Judgement that stated if an Operator in Area A also had an Op Lic in Area B they could send an App based booking to a Driver Licensed in Area A to a pickup in Area B.

However any PH Operator in London can take a booking anywhere in the Country as long as the Booking Centre is located inside the TFL area.

That’s just how it is.

And why a specific Operator from Kent does most of their work inside London, the bookings are made via their Office in Kent, near Rochester.
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It clarified that a London PH Driver signed into the Uber App was not P4H, not just by a Magistrate but the decision confirmed by a High Court Judge.

That is a pretty significant bit of Case Law
Remind us who the Judge was.
 
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