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Talking Electric Cars on The Greg Carrasco Show (AM640)

Kurt Halfyard

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The host of the Auto Talk Show on AM640 was kind enough to keep me on for 2 full segments to try to correct some of the misconceptions about electric cars.

Don't know how easy it is to find in podcast form. Maybe someone was listening while driving around this morning, and caught me trying to quash some of the Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt around these types of cars.
 

Kurt Halfyard

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Yea he has two Hyundai dealerships north of Toronto. His radio show is great though.
 

instalyfuberfy

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Did some basic math - civic vs clarity.
Assumptions:
- cost on the road inc. hst
- car will be used for 300.000 km and then sold to scrap yard for $0.
- civic using 7 l/100 clarity 2 el/100
- civic needs $60 oil changes every 10.000 km and 3 brake jobs $500 each, clarity - nothing.
- no tires needed, it would be same for both
- gas cost $1/liter


Car L/100 Cost L/300000 Maintenance Total
Civic 7 20500 21000 3300 44800
Clarity 2 45200 6000 0 51200

You will spend $7k less with civic.
Where I am wrong?
 

Karl Marx

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The host of the Auto Talk Show on AM640 was kind enough to keep me on for 2 full segments to try to correct some of the misconceptions about electric cars.

Don't know how easy it is to find in podcast form. Maybe someone was listening while driving around this morning, and caught me trying to quash some of the Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt around these types of cars.
You start at 1:30 into the program.
https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-greg-carrasco-show/id1056309221?mt=2
Absolute terrible argument because the real cost of gasoline cars is that the real cost is not truly paid. CO2 emissions need to be factored into the real cost of gas engines. Capitalism is totally taking the planet down. You need to go onto the show as a special guest and give them a lesson on sustainable transportation economics and a lesson in good old socialism. CFRB...I hated those morning trumpets before the 8 AM news.
 
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racer26

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Did some basic math - civic vs clarity.
Assumptions:
- cost on the road inc. hst
- car will be used for 300.000 km and then sold to scrap yard for $0.
- civic using 7 l/100 clarity 2 el/100
- civic needs $60 oil changes every 10.000 km and 3 brake jobs $500 each, clarity - nothing.
- no tires needed, it would be same for both
- gas cost $1/liter


Car L/100 Cost L/300000 Maintenance Total
Civic 7 20500 21000 3300 44800
Clarity 2 45200 6000 0 51200

You will spend $7k less with civic.
Where I am wrong?
The clarity doesn't use 2L/100km. It uses 0L/100km if you don't go further than the battery allows.

But you're not accounting for that the clarity is a bigger and somewhat nicer car than the civic.
 

instalyfuberfy

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The clarity doesn't use 2L/100km. It uses 0L/100km if you don't go further than the battery allows.
You are correct, this is why I put 2 EL/100. You still need to pay for electrons. And my coworker with Clarity said it approx. comes to $2 per 100km (with occasional gas use, with is unavoidable with such small battery.).
Yes, clarity is bigger, but in my use case (uberx driving) it is irrelevant. could not care less that pax have an extra inch of leg room.
Any other flaws in my math?
 

UberLyftFlexWhatever

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You are correct, this is why I put 2 EL/100. You still need to pay for electrons. And my coworker with Clarity said it approx. comes to $2 per 100km (with occasional gas use, with is unavoidable with such small battery.).
Yes, clarity is bigger, but in my use case (uberx driving) it is irrelevant. could not care less that pax have an extra inch of leg room.
Any other flaws in my math?
Whatever...

Fact is
Electric cars And trucks are the future

Google it and get educated
Be4 u embarrass yourself
 
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Ashoor

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Hold on, what time were you on? I was listening to it on and off, including the last 15 min or so, when a lady called to blast Greco, falsely accusing him of being against electric cars.
 

Petrikov

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You are correct, this is why I put 2 EL/100. You still need to pay for electrons. And my coworker with Clarity said it approx. comes to $2 per 100km (with occasional gas use, with is unavoidable with such small battery.).
Yes, clarity is bigger, but in my use case (uberx driving) it is irrelevant. could not care less that pax have an extra inch of leg room.
Any other flaws in my math?
Soon it will be a fee charged to electric cars for road maintenance. some american state are charging $100 per year already
 

racer26

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Soon it will be a fee charged to electric cars for road maintenance. some american state are charging $100 per year already
This is stupid. Heavy vehicles like semi's do nearly all the damage to the roads. Gas tax loss to EVs is nowhere close to that much. The places that are charging that much are doing it to discourage EV sales
 

MrAbduz

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With uber/Lyft banning people left and right for no reason, buying a vehicle that will pay off in the long run seems kind of risky to me.

I'd still buy something reliable, cheap and with good resale value to dispose it off should I get removed from the rideshare platform.
 

UberLyftFlexWhatever

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The new zero emissions Toyota Electric Truck

Toyota and Kenworth teamed up to develop the Hydrogen Electic Rig
https://www.ttnews.com/articles/kenworth-toyota-partner-develop-10-hydrogen-electric-trucks
The zero-emissions trucks will be based on Kenworth’s T680 model and will utilize Toyota’s hydrogen fuel cell technology.

The project is part of a $41 million grant preliminarily awarded by the California Air Resources Board.


Soon it will be a fee charged to electric cars for road maintenance. some american state are charging $100 per year already
The reason for the annual $100 charge to EV owners,

Simply put, is because part of gas tax at fuel pump goes towards infrastructure repair.
EV’s don’t need the gas pump and aren’t paying their fair share.

I’m confident EV trucks will be charged substantially more.
It all comes down to environmentalists and energy independence,
Not so much about costs.
 

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Hold on, what time were you on? I was listening to it on and off, including the last 15 min or so, when a lady called to blast Greco, falsely accusing him of being against electric cars.
Just after 10am

Yea that's right

ICE sells
EV don't
Tell that to China, Norway, Germany, Japan, Denmark, Sweden. All kinds of cultures, climates, government styles, and societies have been steadily switching over.
 

Will Ontario

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Who says EV dont sell?.If the price is the same as ICE,if the batteries can run 500km on a quick charge.If charging stations are all standardized and plentiful EV will sell.Its getting there slowly but I say within 5 years EV sales will be 25% of all cars sold.The trucking industry is at the forefront of adopting this much earlier though.Some of the largest transport companies in the US already said they are ready for EV trucks and they are deciding which is the best.Samsung and Norway company has a design for a light 1000km nanobattery and would soon be in production in a few years.That is game changer.




https://nordic.businessinsider.com/norwegian-scientists-reveal-a-new-battery-with-five-times-more-energy-capacity--next-step-is-industrial-testing--
 

dmoney155

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Yep, cuz trucking is where the cost savings are most pronounced.. Imagine cost savings on the long haul trips. If I was key player in that industry I would totally look electric truck with exchangeable batteries.
 
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