Select Only?

UberHammer

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No. I've been a pain in their ass requesting it over and over again. They refuse.

Columbus and Cleveland are managed by the same guy. I forget his name, but it's his call, and his call alone.
 

larryb

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I'm another one that is being that pain in the ass. They tell me I will make more money being on all levels. I told them to prove it with some kind of data. So far they have declined to share that type of info. I know there have been some nights where I have been extremely lucky and only gotten XL and select, so i know the business is out there.
 
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Tim In Cleveland

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No, they will FLOOD you with X pings and then start timing you out when you refuse them. You're not making money with an expensive gas guzzler taking x pings. Instead, you will become a "Surge Only" driver in an expensive car that you don't want. You will be lucky to make $200 a week so get another job.
Why even ask them for data? If you don't get it from an independent agency, you can't trust it. Remember all the NYC drivers making $100K? Not one could be found by an independent agency.
 

larryb

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I know I generally make quite a bit more than 200$/wk and I only drive a few hours Friday and Saturday evenings. Still think I could be making a lot more if I was permitted to go select/XL only.
 

Tim In Cleveland

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I know I generally make quite a bit more than 200$/wk and I only drive a few hours Friday and Saturday evenings. Still think I could be making a lot more if I was permitted to go select/XL only.
Of course you would. Personally, I could be online 60 hours a week working on call as a select driver. Yes, I wouldn't get many pings when X drivers were also on, but at least someone would be available. Instead, I have to hide offline to protect my car from sub-minimum wage fares and harassment from Uber.
 

TBone

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I asked how much I could make moving up to a black car and they refused to tell me. I then asked how they expect someone to make an investment without knowing the return.
Uber really is a horrible company.
 

UberHammer

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From a revenue perspective you make more per hour getting X pings in addition to Select/XL. But from a profit perspective you could easily be making less per hour.

For example $20 in X revenue per hour might produce $10 in profit per hour for the driver. But $16 in Select/XL revenue per hour might produce $11 in profit per hour because it takes twice as much in car costs to produce $20 in X revenue as it does to produce $16 in Select/XL.

Uber doesn't care about a driver's profitability. Uber doesn't care about a driver's profitability. Let me repeat, Uber doesn't care about a driver's profitability. What Uber cares about is how much in booking fees and commission per hour a driver produces for Uber. And yes, sending you, the Select/XL driver, X pings increases the booking fees and commission per hour they make from you when you accept them. You profit less per hour so that they can earn more per hour from you.

There is also another thing that reduces the amount of booking fees and commision you earn per hour for Uber... and that is being on time out. That's right. Their response to what they don't like you doing is just as bad for their bottom line as what you are doing that they don't like. In the end, you will make about as much profit per hour ignoring X pings and receiving timeouts as you would doing all those X request. And Uber makes less per hour from you. Yes, you would make more per hour if you weren't getting timed out, but Uber is going to do what Uber is going to do, so timeouts are what you have to deal with. But in the end, $10 of profit doing X requests too requires a lot more effort on your part than $10 of profit Select/XL requires.
 

UberHammer

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At UberX rates in Columbus, assuming 30 mph, one billable mile produces $1.46 in revenue ($1.10 for the mile plus $0.36 for time to travel a mile). After Uber's commission a grandfathered driver (20%) like me keeps $1.17 of that revenue. The cost of my Select car is around $0.30 per mile. Assuming one dead mile for every billable mile, my costs are $0.60 per billable mile. Thus my costs are 51.3% of revenue. The $0.50 base rate per trip adds a little revenue too, but since trips originating in Marysville average around 13 miles per trip, that only adds around $0.03 per mile of revenue. so my costs per mile are $0.60 for every $1.20 in revenue. So yes, a cost of $10 to make $20 on UberX is is spot on for my situation. And yes, I agree, it's not worth it. Ignore UberX and accept only Select. Of course for me to get Select requests I need to drive into the Columbus area, so I usually grab an UberX request in Marysville to head into Columbus first. No one in Marysville ever requests Select.
 

Dontmakemepullauonyou

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I asked how much I could make moving up to a black car and they refused to tell me. I then asked how they expect someone to make an investment without knowing the return.
Uber really is a horrible company.
They don't want you doing any math at all. When you do the math, the uber scam falls apart. They want fresh new suckers to buy nice cars, tear them up, and file bankruptcy.
 

TBone

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Hammer...are you including a car payment in the mileage?
I'm right around .20 cents a mile in expenses. My biggest expense is gas at .12-.13 cents a mile.
 

UberHammer

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Hammer...are you including a car payment in the mileage?
I'm right around .20 cents a mile in expenses. My biggest expense is gas at .12-.13 cents a mile.
Here is how I calculated my costs and came to $0.30 per mile: https://uberpeople.net/xfa-blog-entry/how-to-calculate-costs-as-an-uber-driver.23/

Interest on my financing was only 0.9%, plus I got my Acura TL late in the year as they were discounting them to make room for the new year model. Most Acura, Lexus, BMW, etc... that qualify for Select are going to be higher than $0.30 per mile, because of the price of the car, the higher maintenance costs, and some like mine require premium gas.
 
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