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NYC passes minimum pay wage for Uber and Lyft drivers

Another Uber Driver

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Final result? The end of ride share. Exactly what the taxi folks want.
.........and your complaint is_______________________________________________________?


Can cabbies reject a ride?
You can not reject someone who hails you or approaches you on a street or taxi stand. You can reject trips that pop onto your screen. That is the substitute for your Right To Remain Silent that obtained in the days of voice dispatch (READ: REAL dispatch).
 

burgerflipper

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As I said in another thread, New York City Uber drivers are now employs. Uber is required to pay them $17.22 per hour, therefore a driver will be expected to take every single ping.
Expect massive deactivation.
not really a min wage. city regulated uber rates to ensure the average driver is making min wage. city said "at current rates drivers are making 70% of the min wage, therefore ubet must raise its rates by 30%". no radical change in pay structure or classification.

source: i am a ny driver
 

tohunt4me

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Even BETTER !

Uber will implement 4.8 rating or higher.
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She will SHOW UP AT UBER CORPORATE !!!

Browning makes a Fine automatic 12 guage Shotgun by the way !

Extremely accurate at Great Distances !

( looks like shes holding a 57- 59 Belgiam Browning, A-5)
 

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tohunt4me

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Uber replied to the New York TLC action with a pack of lies, a bucket of dupe and a load of spin.

"Uber supports efforts to ensure that....drivers in New York City....are able to make a living wage...."-LIE. If Uber truly supported that, the pay cuts, be they blatant or veiled never would have happened.

"...higher than necessary fare increases..."-Spin. It costs money to deliver a service. In the capitalist system under which this country operates, that cost is paid by the consumer. In addition, the consumer must pay an amount sufficient to allow the provider to turn a reasonable profit. Until UberX appeared, taxi driving was a middle class occupation. Uber has sought to reduce it to a poverty level occupation. Keep in mind that an UberX driver ain't nothin' but no unlicenced, illegal, under-insured, under-informed, ill-equipped, cut rate, discount tack-see driver". There is a reason why cab rates are what they are. It has little, if anything, to do with Big Taxi, which, in this market at least, does not apply. The rates are what they are because it costs money to equip keep up a vehicle, pay for licences, pay for supplies and turn a decent profit.

Consider this: I have rubber floors and vinyl covered seats in my taxi. This makes it easier to keep it clean: vacuum after dogs and people who sneak eat in the car; spray and wipe after people who sneak eat in the car, wipe up after people who track mud in the car; clean up after a ralpher. It costs money to have these things put into your car. Cab rates are sufficient to pay for this. TNC rates, AIN'T, which is why my TNC car is not so equipped.

"....missing an opportunity to...reduce congestion in Manhattan's central business district..."-DUPE. There have been studies that have proved that the proliferation of the TNCs has contributed to increased congestion. When the D.C. City Council imposed that new tax on the TNCs, Evans cited the increased congestion. There is at least one California study that asserts the same. My experience dictates increased congestion. This is one reason, out of a few, why New York capped the taxicabs in the 1930s.

"The TLC rules do not take into account incentives or bonuses......"-Spin. I will trade bonuses and incentives for reliable revenue streams. In addition, Uber Taxi was offering incentives and bonuses to cab drivers before the launch of UberX. Uber has no problem paying bonuses and incentives at any level. Finally, these bonuses and incentives on the X level amount to subsidising contractors. That is a textbook illustration of unfair competition.

"In addition, the rules miss an opportunity to.... deal with congestion"-It was DUPE when Uber asserted this the first time, why is it suddenly NOT dupe? Uber wants congestion alleviated? Good: it, VIA and Lyft can shut down to-morrow and not be replaced.

Finally, Uber wants to hold "bases" accountable for "keeping cars full with paying passengers".-Spin and DUPE combined. They want to hold the cab bases responsible for the cab drivers not hauling the customers that the TNCs took from them, due to the TNCs' being permitted to compete unfairly. This will allow them to drive the cab bases out of business and eliminate the competition: DUPE. Uber tries to spin it by asserting that it will reduce congestion, something for which it offers no proof.

Spin, DUPE and LIES: this is just what we have come to expect from Uber.
" Deliver A SERVICE "!?

" TECHNOLOGY COMPANY "!

" NO NEED TO TIP"!
 

Pusher

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Even BETTER !


She will SHOW UP AT UBER CORPORATE !!!

Browning makes a Fine automatic 12 guage Shotgun by the way !

Extremely accurate at Great Distances !

( looks like shes holding a 57- 59 Belgiam Browning, A-5)
She looks like she would have more fun if she Could handle a BAR ?
 

TwoFiddyMile

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.........and your complaint is_______________________________________________________?




You can not reject someone who hails you or approaches you on a street or taxi stand. You can reject trips that pop onto your screen. That is the substitute for your Right To Remain Silent that obtained in the days of voice dispatch (READ: REAL dispatch).
You forgot drunk disorderly pax. I've done it when they were right on the edge of violence. It's rare, I need the money.
 

SEAL Team 5

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good for them! honestly I'm a little surprised to see NYC stepping up. I kind of assumed NYC would just take their bribes from boober instead of the local taxi operators and call it a day.
I think the multiple suicides had something to do with this.
 

Pusher

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On a different note, we are seeing references that what Ny did as minimum wage and trying to compare to employee status. This is false.

What occurred was that the city regulated uber rates to ensure the average driver is making at least min wage. The city said "at current rates drivers are making 70% of the min wage, therefore uber must raise its rates by 30%". no radical change in pay structure or classification.

So for those that are saying that now this is making the IC’s into employee’s it is an entirely false premise to go off of so we need to stop with that right now.

For some years on this board all you have read is complaint after complaint about rates and how Uber has gone about cutting the rates yet again to the driver all the while increasing the rates to the passenger. What has finally occurred is something that each and every one of the members on this board has been hoping for and that is someone finally holding these companies accountable and in check.

Overall it is a minor victory in a larger process. There is much more that really needs to occur to actually legitimize this industry. Yes this industry be it a young one in a sense is going to be around regardless if the company brand is named Uber or not.

The service that you the professional driver provides has been a difficult road up till now. To actually be recognized for your efforts, and to have people working for the betterment of those who go out on a daily basis putting in long hours, and dealing with all the situations on a daily basis that we do should be applauded.

Saftey is the next step though and really needs to be focused upon. Government and passengers will be on board coming from the drivers. Holding Uber and Lyft to their own rules regarding unaccompanied minors, car seat enforcement should and must be the next order of business.

These two things when speaking with passengers are things that they find alarming. The media has had interest as well when it comes to the unaccompanied minor issue. For the drivers this puts us in a whole host of possible liability issues, the same can be said for taking a ride with a child under 8 yrs of age not secured in a car seat.

You can only be the one that exemplifies professionalism when you conduct and execute your rides. But to finally break the stigma that drivers, be they Uber or Lyft, taxi or limo anything other than professional drivers starts with actions such as what the drivers of New York finally did.

Far to long this industry has been treated as a door mat in many respects, and that culture was started at the very top with the companies themselves. The rating system for one is heavily scewed and entirely biased. How is it that a intoxicated passenger is allowed to rate a sober driver for one, how is it that passengers who can not afford a car or have lost their privlage to operate a car due to making a decision to drive drunk have the ability to rate a driver that is providing them affordable transportation with door to door service. In many of these cases the rating system on a whim of the passenger can get a driver deactivated for nothing more than a scam to get a free ride. There is no accountability of the passengers in these cases when this occurs and that is something that needs to be addressed as well.

The culture that has risen with how passengers (not all) treat those in this profession such as disrespect of our personal vehicles and disrespect of the professionals themselves that are providing this service has to change.

Something that I have observed over the last couple days once the news broke about the gains that the drivers in New York achieved, is the fear of loosing ridership due to an increased fare to the passenger to offset the an increased rate to the professional driver. We once again go back to the very fact, that these platforms created a culture that has become a norm now for the public to expect a private personal cars to transport them from door to door, at rates that are less than Bus and light rail prices and in most cases less than taxi rates going back to the 1980’s.

While doing so they have facilitated a culture that has allowed the public in many cases (not all) to throw off all societal norms once they enter into said vehicle. The fear of losing a portion of that ridership should not be something that drivers should worry about. In many of these cases the platforms through different services such as Uber pool and pool express as well as Lyft line, has made it so that passengers that by all rights financially should never have had the ability in the first place to expect to have personal private car service in the first place. I understand that could offend some, but it is entirely the truth.

While we provide a similar service that crosses between cab, limo, and now bus at each step the platforms have taken steps not only to reduce compensation for your professionalism, but have added on additional expectations to the passengers. The latest being medical transport and transport highly focused on the elderly that all bring on additional liability to you.

Again the only way that we are recognized as the professionals that we are is through measures that have taken place recently in New York. Saftey has to be a key focus and yes regulations have to be implemented and enforced, not just window dressing that these companies currently do. The culture as well has to change as well, and that can only occur by the drivers actually standing together to make it happen.. if there are casualties along the way such as loosing a segment of ridership or a segment of operators, maybe that’s what was needed to occur all along in the first place.
 

Wonkytonk

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As I said in another thread, New York City Uber drivers are now employs. Uber is required to pay them $17.22 per hour, therefore a driver will be expected to take every single ping.
Expect massive deactivation.
Given the current freeze on new drivers there of this happens it won't happen until after the freeze on new licenses are lifted.

I do agree with you though that when drivers become employees they will demand a lot more control over driver actions than they typically have been, but the caveat on that is the way the app is already currently set up they have an inordinate amount of control over drivers as it is. Employer level actually.
 

Pusher

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https://uberpeople.net/attachments/press_release_12_04_18-1-pdf.279268/

This is a great breakdown of what took place, very detailed.

Also the sentence that states that pay is per trip and not per hour is key. It goes against all those who keep harping that this is going to turn drivers into employees.

It is formulated per trip basis and benefits all drivers, The deadhead formula for anytime taken OUT of city or long trips, deadhead basically same as taxi of meter and a half, using 50% as number . It Doesn't effect cherry picking one bit. Still can log on or off anytime or even continue drive surge only or combo surge / quest/consecutive trips
 

kdyrpr

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It was a horrible idea when government got involved in food service and required workers to wash their hands after using the bathroom, wasn't it?

It was a dumb idea when the FDA (a government entity) insisted on childproof caps on medication, right? All that unnecessary regulation leading to extra expense.

What a stupid idea school zone speed limits are! Just another example of government sticking their noses in when they are not needed, right Karen?

New York only had 6 driver suicides last year. Just six!!! Stupid politicians!
Mista T...there is a difference between SAFETY and wages. The examples you gave were all a result of injury or deaths. 6 limo/cabbies committing suicide is a bad example.

Listen, I believe that UBER/LYFT are biding there time in NYC. They understand if they fight back the optics are going to be bad as it usually is when they open their mouths.

Their strategy now the way I see it is to make up the lost revenue in NYC with lower rates and surge modification in all other markets. Funny how UBER announced its change in mileage/time rates at the same time of the NYC decision. Yeah, UBER is claiming as they always do that it somehow is better for the driver. We all know it isn't.

I think they are going to do whatever it takes to placate NYC politicians and screw over the rest of the country to make up for it.
 

dryverjohn

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Ok, so I started a new gig that pays hourly while I am delivering and also pays for just sitting around. While not quite minimum wage when you are sitting at home watching TV, it is close. Once you start picking up packages they pay ramps up to $12.50 an hour and $.50 per mile, surpassing minimum wage. I prefer this method as an IC, I would do it full time. However, guess what. They limit you to 9 scheduled hours a week and let you waitlist as many hours as you want. I have been able to pickup 20+ hours a week and it's a great supplement to Uber/Lfyt. I can do them all at the same time.

I say this because, I see Uber doing the same thing. Releasing a schedule based on demand, you have 40 hours scheduled you are a full time driver. Other blocks may become available, but they are not going to want to pay when they don't have ride requests. I expect a complete change in how Uber is going to create limits on who and when they can drive. Uber pro drivers etc. will get priority, acceptance rates and ratings will matter.
 

Codyboy1

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Definitely have to agree with you. No longer considered IC they will be required to play by Uber’s rules in terms of cancellations and acceptance rates. You can’t be expected to get paid 17.22 an hour by just sitting there declining every ping. I think Uber will start deactivating many drivers and will limit the amount of drivers on the street. Allowing it to surge and only paying the new surge price model to the driver (+2, +5...etc) essentially offsetting the min wage. I see the pax getting screwed over in the end. I’m interested to see what happens next. Definitely 17.22 per driver per hour is no joke.
What do you mean the pax getting screwed in the end. They need to be paying more for their rides. They are paying a fraction of what taxi rates were decades ago, and as a dollar tip. The customer is always the source of revenue. About time the pax starts paying what the ride is worth
 

Castaneda7189

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What do you mean the pax getting screwed in the end. They need to be paying more for their rides. They are paying a fraction of what taxi rates were decades ago, and as a dollar tip. The customer is always the source of revenue. About time the pax starts paying what the ride is worth
I don’t know man. I’ve seen some of the prices Uber customers pay and I can say that many are paying 1.80-2.00 per mile. As much as a taxi service would cost. That’s what I mean. Uber usually takes 45% if not more of it. Just took a guy on a 12 mile ride lasted 18 min. He paid 24 bucks and I got $12. I even long hauled that one.
 

Another Uber Driver

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You forgot drunk disorderly pax. I've done it when they were right on the edge of violence. It's rare, I need the money.
You are required to transport "orderly" passengers. The Capital Of Your Nation does make exception for "has reasonable cause to fear for his safety", but that is a hard one to use. A driver once refused to take a passenger to a block where he had been robbed several weeks previously at the same time of night. The passenger filed a complaint. The then D.C. Taxicab Commission held a hearing. The Hearing Examiner would not allow that as an excuse. In fact, he told the driver that if he were afraid of the Public of Washington, D.C., he did not need that hack licence. He told the driver if he tried to use that excuse in front of him again under similar circumstances, he would be sat down for ninety days, minimum if not an outright revocation.

Passengers who are drunk or "engaged in a violation of the law" are by definition "disorderly". The thing about that, though, is if a passenger asked you to take him to a known open air drug market, you could not refuse him because you did not know that he was going to buy drugs. Yes, you did know it, but, your knowing it would not stand up in a legal proceeding.

Still, when you are hurting for business, you take more than a few customers that you would not want to take under normal circumstances.



About time the pax starts paying what the ride is worth
In a capitalistic economy, which is supposed to be what obtains in the U.S. of A,, the customer pays the cost of doing business. In Uber's "Corporate State Socialist" economy, the driver bears much of that cost without adequate compensation.
 
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