Not knowing destinations in advance is costing drivers BILLIONS OF DOLLARS per year in lost revenue

Uberbrent

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How are drivers losing billions of dollars when all the passengers are still being picked up? You personally may feel that you are somehow losing based on some other driver getting a longer ride, but in a socialistic way all rides are being covered. The same money is being spent for rides wether you receive them or not. There is no loss of billions. I bet you are one of the ants clamoring for a union as well. Guess what, someone still has to pick up those pax.
 

Karen Stein

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How?

Lots of assertions, no facts, not even any explanation.

So what if you're not advised in advance of the destination? All that might mean is you can't try to skim the gravy. Those short trips still take place. Income to Uber remains the same.

I've addressed the foolishness of trying to cherry pick only the "good" trips before. Have you never heard "a bird in the hand beats two in the bush?"

But, what the heck. I have only 11K trips over three years. I can't possibly know anything about this topic
 

tohunt4me

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While I totally agree that not seeing destination greatly hurts our pay, I disagree that drivers' pay is the reason for U/L's opposition to showing destination. I think that there is such an abundance of money- losing rides - I might go as far as to say that *most* rides are money losers for drivers - that U/L know that all but the most oblivious drivers would decline these rides if they knew in advance. These rides are Uber's & Lyft's bread and butter, and they can't risk stranding these riders.
Minumum Fares that ACTUALLY COVER DRIVERS COSTS

WOULD SOLVE THIS " CREATED PROBLEM ".
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DRIVERS SUBSIDISE UBER MORE THAN INVESTORS !
 

Amsoil Uber Connect

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Ya if the minimum trip paid to a driver was $10 US. Would you take more of them ? Of course you would.

What I'm thinking of is, If the per trip had a sliding scale, So that the longer the trip the per mile and per minute would decrease as the distance gets longer.
 

RideshareUSA

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Blindly accepting trip requests without knowing the destinations costs drivers BILLIONS of dollars in lost revenue
every year.

By hiding destinations from the drivers, Uber and Lyft rake in BILLIONS of dollars in extra revenue every year by keeping driver pay rates ARTIFICIALLY LOW.

Knowing destinations in advance and NOT being penalized in any way whatsoever would result in much HIGHER driver pay, which is why both companies have always been strongly opposed to it.

Drivers knowing destinations in advance would a GAME CHANGER.
No shit, Sherlock! ?
 

kc ub'ing!

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I just declined a 10 minute pick up on a 2 minute ride! Sick! If the ride had been 20 minutes, I’d have accepted. Uber pro is handy af!

Hell yeah uber should provide this info on every ride without caveat! But they don’t. Not taking advantage of this helpful tool out of spite is silly.
 

KK2929

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Blindly accepting trip requests without knowing the destinations costs drivers BILLIONS of dollars in lost revenue
every year.

By hiding destinations from the drivers, Uber and Lyft rake in BILLIONS of dollars in extra revenue every year by keeping driver pay rates ARTIFICIALLY LOW.

Knowing destinations in advance and NOT being penalized in any way whatsoever would result in much HIGHER driver pay, which is why both companies have always been strongly opposed to it.

Drivers knowing destinations in advance would a GAME CHANGER.
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Although I believe that your reasoning is a bit shaky, Lyft shows the distance and direction of the trip. They just do not show the fare nor the drivers pay and never will. There will always be drivers that will take any and all trips, there is no reason for U/L to show any information. As I see it, there is no difference in buying a new refrigerator and not knowing the stores mark-up. The concept is when you log on, you, as the driver, take what is sent your way. Cherry picking trips is not part of the deal. This only means that other drivers have to take up the slack that you have created.
 

SHalester

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The concept is when you log on, you, as the driver, take what is sent your way.
that's what will happen in calif after 1/1. :cryin:
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It shouldn't be that difficult to get Platinum. I drive part time (7-9 am & 5-7 pm) and I got it fairly easy.
with 1pt rides? riiiigghhhhttttt, let me work on that and get back to you.
 

Nats121

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How is that revenue lost when it's spread around to all drivers?

If you can cherry pick only the rides you want to do how do you think that would serve riders especially the ones who want to go shorter distances.

What screws drivers is Uber keeping $5 on short rides and paying you $2 for your labor, gas, car and maintenance.
The lost revenue isn't spread around to other drivers, it goes straight to Uber's bank account.
 

Amsoil Uber Connect

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As soon as there is a shortage of drivers Uber will either reveal pax destinations or increase driver rates.
Haha ya, still holding your breath ?
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Guys, have you not heard about UberPro? Get to Platinum and Diamond level and you get to see trip duration ahead of time. Nothing like that on Lyft though. Uber wants you to drive just for them and accept most pings to stay at these levels. But you do get to ignore a few lousy rides, especially when you are in areas known for longer rides.
Lyft , just maintain 90% AR. No BS games to reach a status symbol , No BS points to make you FEEL good.
 

TheDevilisaParttimer

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Blindly accepting trip requests without knowing the destinations costs drivers BILLIONS of dollars in lost revenue
every year.

By hiding destinations from the drivers, Uber and Lyft rake in BILLIONS of dollars in extra revenue every year by keeping driver pay rates ARTIFICIALLY LOW.

Knowing destinations in advance and NOT being penalized in any way whatsoever would result in much HIGHER driver pay, which is why both companies have always been strongly opposed to it.

Drivers knowing destinations in advance would a GAME CHANGER.
Uber and Lyft tied this in at the hip with discrimination from the beginning. There is zero chance of this changing without massive public push back.
 

Nats121

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How are drivers losing billions of dollars when all the passengers are still being picked up?
The only reason they all get picked up is because the drivers don't know how much the trip pays until AFTER the pax gets into their cars.

If the drivers knew the destination in advance, many pax wouldn't get picked up at the garbage rates we're being paid.

Uber would then be forced to offer the driver MORE MONEY to entice him/her to accept the trip.

You personally may feel that you are somehow losing based on some other driver getting a longer ride, but in a socialistic way all rides are being covered. The same money is being spent for rides wether you receive them or not. There is no loss of billions. I bet you are one of the ants clamoring for a union as well. Guess what, someone still has to pick up those pax.
You're one of those people who throw the word "socialist" around yet don't know how economics works.

ALL drivers are losing out to Uber whether they take short, medium or long trips.

I'm not interested in being an employee or joining a union, of which only employees can belong.

If drivers know destinations in advance, many pax will NOT be picked up until Uber RAISES the pay to sufficient levels.
 

UberchickATL

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But what about those people who only want to go one block because they are lazy? And what about the shoppers at your local grocery shops who live very close to the store but still need help with groceries? Would you still pick em up if you knew how short the ride was? or are you that selfish driver who only cares about his fat payout.... you sir, are no different than uber! Shame on you!
Bahaha fat payout??? I don’t know where you drive but those short rides involve about 15-20 minutes of my time and even though I always help with groceries (helps speed the process), I rarely get tipped. And my fat payout is $3.

The real shame is on u/l for not upping the minimum fare amount and the cheap passengers that don’t tip for our valuable service. Shame on them.
 

Nats121

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While I totally agree that not seeing destination greatly hurts our pay, I disagree that drivers' pay is the reason for U/L's opposition to showing destination. I think that there is such an abundance of money- losing rides - I might go as far as to say that *most* rides are money losers for drivers - that U/L know that all but the most oblivious drivers would decline these rides if they knew in advance. These rides are Uber's & Lyft's bread and butter, and they can't risk stranding these riders.
Stranded pax is the extremely powerful leverage the drivers would have that would force Uber into raising driver pay to levels high enough to entice drivers into picking those pax up.
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How?

Lots of assertions, no facts, not even any explanation.
Try using common sense and the laws of supply and demand and you'll come up with the correct answer.

All but the most zombie-like ants would become much more choosy about the rides they accept if they know the destination in advance.

Thus, Uber would be forced to raise driver pay to levels high enough to get undesirable rides accepted.
 
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