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  1. Do tell

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    I do live in Connecticut.I pay some of the highest taxes in the country.Here is a video from 1978,very informative.
     
  2. Oscar Levant

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    Bush & Co. took down Hussein, and tried "libertarianism", it was to be the grand experience to prove, once and for all, the superiority of that system i.e, got rid of Husseins' social programs, fired the military, and tried to rebuild Iraq on libertarian principles of democracy and the free market as the panacea for most of any society's ills. .

    What actually happened?

    Chaos, and then ISIS.

    Sorry, some degree of socialism is necessary in a vast, complex society as America is, quite unlike the simpler worlds of Pluto, Socrates etc., who loved to philosophize and relish in their treatises. No one on the left is trying to make everyone totally equal, just cure the extreme disparities, such as a CEO making 30 million, where the people at the bottom can't make a livable wage -- no one on the left is saying they should both be paid equal. So, the right always makes a strawman out of much of what the left wants. for example, the right says ' Soviet Union failed, so I'm against socialism". Thats' a strawman, because no one on the left is advocating totalitarian/authorian 100% state ownership of all tools of production, which existed in the USSR, which is the true definition of socialism.

    Libertarianism is essentially a state where the rich and powerful can exploit the middle and lower classes with impunity.

    Libertarianism is a mental disorder which must be cured. The better system is right in the center, The center is where the pendulum can rest without wanting to swing in the other direction, which is what always happens when the pendulum is too far to the left, or right.
     
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    MSNBC and its Left wing "philosophy"? MSNBC also has Warpedtongue, who spews nothing but hate. Then there are the New York Times and the Washington Post which were the Official Propaganda Organs for Ready for Hillary.

    Who is worse, or the worst? Insanity, Flush Lamebrain or Warpedtongue?

    My vote goes to Warpedtongue with Lamebrain a close second and Insanity simply designated as a "jack[donkey]".
     
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    What actually happened against advice from military advisers.Obama pulled out of Iraq and left a vortex of violence.Your analogies does not help your stance.

    Being wimps in the world and giving everybody medals for coming in last is why we are the way we are today.Thanks for nothing President Obama.The worst president next to Jimmy Carter.
     
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  6. Oscar Levant

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    Brainwashed people always stoop to ad homenims
     
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    I've been observing politics for 45 years, and when it comes to conservative and libertarian rhetoric, it's always "we are against big government". Yeah, I admit, what they say makes sense, that's because they give to you in a bright and shiny hard to resist package, but it's just a verbal sleight of hand, because how does this translate to policy? Well, it translates, ALWAYS only this way:less for poor and middle class and much much more for the rich which never results in jobs, it just results is more for the rich.
    History proves that trickle down theory doesn't work, it is a de facto rich trickle on you ( as in piss ) theory. Reagan once said "a rising tide lifts all boats". Hey Prez Reagan, not every one has a frickin' boat.

    Right now, as I type this, republicans are about to take away health care from millions, an give tax cuts for the richest 400 families. We've been down this path, so many times in the past, and the result is always soaring deficits, poor and middle class get screwed, jobs go down because the engine of jobs is middle class spending, and if they have less disposible income, jobs decrease, they never increase. Soaring deficits means inflation, and since the rich can hedge, the middle class and poor cannot, it's another tax on the poor and middle class. This is the flaw in Milton Friedman free market bullcrap. yeah, of course, no one is saying get rid of the free market, libs are saying let's regulate it so that the poor and middle class are not exploited, that's all. Yet, if you ask a republican, they will tell you we are goose stepping comrads that want to take away your freedom. It's all a verbal trick to brainwash you into giving more power to the rich, and less for you, because if they do that, your vote means less and less, which is PRECISELY what is going on today. The right controls you, brainwashes you by filling your brain with thought terminating cliche's. This is the class propaganda technique of dictators, authoritarian/totalitarian regimes, it's the technique of demogogues, it's also the same technique used by Trump.

    Those who lose their health care, some will die for lack of access, so it's no exaggeration if I say republicans kill people.

    Any vote for anyone other than Hillary is a vote for Trump, and the above. Yeah, I've heard the argument, people die for her policies in middle east, but guess what, there only been bad news in the middle east for how long? 2000 years, that's how long. So that argument is a red herring. Let's talk about what is happening here in the USA, that is what matters.
     
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    Specious argument. We could pull out from the middle east 100 years from now, and the situation will still be leaving a vortex in the region. So, is it better to pull out later or now? It won't make any difference if we pull out later, the result will still be a vortex. Remember, there hasn't been any good news in the middle east in 2000 years, and you think it's going to happen a few years from now, if only we just let our soldiers continue to die there for a few more years hoping those frothing at the mouth crazies somehow, magically become civilized?

    No my friend, that epic BLUNDER by REPUBLICANS by invading Iraq have put us in an IMPOSSIBLE situation. It took tremendous courage to pull out ( because Obama new what the right were going going to put forth this specious argument, and bellyache to kingdom come for perpetuating the war to infinity, McCain even said so. ).

    Strength isn't always about force, strength is about wisdom.
     
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    Your argument is flawed and your rhetoric is misguided.Peace be with you.God bless

    Oscar Levant says:Specious argument. We could pull out from the middle east 100 years from now, and the situation will still be leaving a vortex in the region. So, is it better to pull out later or now? It won't make any difference if we pull out later, the result will still be a vortex. Remember, there hasn't been any good news in the middle east in 2000 years, and you think it's going to happen a few years from now, if only we just let our soldiers continue to die there for a few more years hoping those frothing at the mouth crazies somehow, magically become civilized?

    No my friend, that epic BLUNDER by REPUBLICANS by invading Iraq have put us in an IMPOSSIBLEsituation. It took tremendous courage to pull out ( because Obama new what the right were going going to put forth this specious argument, andbellyache to kingdom come for perpetuating the war to infinity, McCain even said so. ).

    Strength isn't always about force, strength is about wisdom.
     
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    And Obama has no wisdom.

    Watch this video and don't tell me there's wisdom.Just someone who wants to be a celebrity.
     
  13. Do tell

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    Insert sarcasm here.I like being obtuse.LOL

    Honestly no offense to your belief system.Me personally,I like to be educated from all sides of the story.Left,Right,Center.Being informed and making one's own opinion is better than being brainwashed.
     
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    What is the point of this? You are making no sense.
     
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    You haven't expressed anything to me in anyway demonstrative of "being educated left, right, center and being informed and making one's own opinion". I see no evidence you can even properly frame & and articulate and argument, and stay on point. I do see ad hominems and assumptions, which suggests the opposite of your claim.

    For example, you say: "Your argument is flawed and your rhetoric is misguided.Peace be with you.God bless" All you do is make a declaration. Okay, how so? You've offered nothing to articulate it, no evidence to support that you are correct, for just blurting something out doesn't make it so.
     
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    Kaiser Permanente CEO $8.500.000,00 salary.
     
  17. Cocobird

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    My insurance isn't affordable, Thanks Obama, and thanks to all the people that supported him.
     
  18. Fuzzyelvis

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    Healthcare should be a right in a "civilized" country. The alternative is to have only the rich be able to afford to get cancer. The problem now is that it's a system based on profit. Run it to break even and get rid of insurance companies and it would be cheaper.

    Why is every other non third world country (and many of them, too) able to do this, but not the US?

    If you want healthcare to be a privilege then why not education? Especially for those who need help. Why subsidize education for the blind, the deaf, anyone needing any kind of special education because of their disabilities? Heck, why have wheelchair ramps? Let the parents of the disabled child pay for one at their school. Why should I?

    Actually, why should I pay any school taxes? I have no kids. Shouldn't everyone just pay for their own kids' education?

    We pay for education because it's good for society to have an educated populace. I think having them be healthy is good for society also.

    Or do you really think anyone who can't afford chemotherapy (pretty much most folk) should just get no treatment and die? And without painkillers or care? Because those cost too.

    Your attitude is basically "I'm ok, so the heck with everyone else." Great until YOU are sick and can't afford care.

    We shouldn't NEED health INSURANCE at all. We can pay taxes spread across society for roads, but not healthcare? Makes no sense.
     
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    But as a % of GDP healthcare costs are twice what they are in say Britain for example. You're still paying. But you're paying for the person with a very severe ear infection who goes to the county hospital ER and sits there for 8 hours to be seen, meanwhile not working, instead of going to a GP. I did that, many years ago. My parents were getting divorced, I was thrown out, and I had a minimum wage job and no health insurance. I have NEVER paid that bill, except in taxes since.

    It's getting paid for somehow. Either now, or added to the national debt. Unless you simply deny care to those who can't afford it the costs are still there. But I'd guess you'd prefer an 18 year old thrown into sad circumstances suffer and end up with damaged hearing, rather than be treated.

    I don't mind paying (in part) for my neighbor's cancer treatment or his fall off a ladder so long as I know if I fall off a ladder I'll be treated too.

    The argument that there are people who pay nothing assumes that you'll never be one of those people. I'm not, now. But I have been, and believe me, they like it a lot less than you do.
     
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    I guess I'm just beating a dead horse because you don't get it.LOL
     
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