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Discussion in 'Birmingham, UK' started by Arcane1729, Dec 15, 2016.

  1. Arcane1729

    Arcane1729 New Member

    Location:
    Birmingham
    I want to buy a Vauxhall Insignia 2010/2011 for about £3500 - it's a hatchback- however on the webpage with vehicle requirements there's a star next to Vauxhall Insignia- what does that mean- it needs to be a saloon?

    And there's the line for the specific car which is highlighted on the page
    vaux insignia  star.jpg
     
  2. uberupnorth

    uberupnorth Active Member

    Location:
    Bradford
    Driving:
    UberX
    That applies for London. Anywhere else Uber will probably accept the car as long as it is licensed as PHV
     
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  3. Arcane1729

    Arcane1729 New Member

    Location:
    Birmingham
    Wait- I have to get my PCO and I also need to PHV the vehicle? This PHV thing seems to only be a thing in London when I google it
     
  4. Taxi8

    Taxi8 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Manchester
    You will hear people referring to a PCO licence or PH (private hire) licence or PHV (private hire vehicle) licence. They are all the same thing with slightly different names.
    It seems as though PCO (public carriage office licence) is the common name for it in London.
    They are all the same thing. You only need one of them. In the Birmingham area where you are and where you are planning to work, the council licencing department would probably call it a PH licence. Said as "private hire licence." That is what you need. People will know what you are talking about.
     
  5. Taxi8

    Taxi8 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Manchester
    This is what you need to work with Uber;

    A driving licence

    Then you contact your local council and get;

    a Private Hire Drivers Licence
    You pay the council licencing department sometimes £300+ to apply for one.

    They will then send off your criminal record check (which can take a few weeks)
    You will have to produce ID and your driving licence (which you may need to have held for 1 or 2 years)
    You may have to produce references to them, to confirm your good character
    You will definitely need a medical from your own doctors surgery at your cost £70+.

    Depending on your council licencing department's rules, you may need to pass a knowledge test of your city. You may also need to pass a basic English and maths test.

    After you have done the above, you are good to go. You will be eligible to work for your local minicab companies or work with Uber.

    You will then need a car. You say you have a car already. You will have to check with your licencing department whether the car is new enough to use. Also check with Uber whether it is suitable to use with them. Uber may require your car to be newer than what your licencing department require it to be.

    You will then need to get your car plated, it will need to go through your licencing department's approved garage/s. This is stricter than a normal M.O.T. and may have to be done every 6 months at your cost.

    You will then need to get insurance which is suitable and legal for carrying the general public about. This is not the same as normal car insurance and is far more expensive.
    For an inexperienced driver it can cost maybe £100 per week. That's if they will even insure you in the first place.

    The other option is to hire a car from a hire company that specialises in private hire vehicles. They will maintain, repair, tax, insure, and it will be plated/tested by your licencing department. This will cost you a minimum of £160+ per week. You just drive it and put fuel in it. You will also be liable to pay for any bumps and scrapes which are your fault.
    But once again, age may be a problem, maybe you can't hire a car from some companies if you are under 25 years old?

    . . . If you get the above, it is then just a case of contacting Uber. Arranging to go to their office with all your relevant paperwork. Watch a video for an hour. Then that same day you can pick up your first passenger.
     

  6. Arcane1729

    Arcane1729 New Member

    Location:
    Birmingham
    Insurance is the only issue I have right now- noone I asked would quote me- all asked for 2-3 years. One lady I asked said there's flat out nothing in the market with no experience. With one year even she said it was possible and she could think of one insurer. I'll keep calling around and pray.

    There were a few things I wanted to ask however-
    1) Now that uk uber drivers are now considered employees does that mean uber takes off 25% and it deducts tax itself?
    2) Do you have to display on your car that it is a private hire car- so something like an Uber sticker on the side or the thing on the roof of the car.
    3) Can you work for uber eats with a motorbike say and also uber in your car?
     
  7. uberupnorth

    uberupnorth Active Member

    Location:
    Bradford
    Driving:
    UberX
    If that's the case you'd probably be best renting to start off with.
     
  8. uberupnorth

    uberupnorth Active Member

    Location:
    Bradford
    Driving:
    UberX
    Also, how long have you lived in Birmingham?
     
  9. Taxi8

    Taxi8 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Manchester
    1. Uber drivers as of the time being are still in the same situation as before the recent court case. We are still self-employed. So we are still responsible for paying our own tax to HMRC (that's if we earn enough.) And also national insurance contributions.
    Uber have appealed the decision of the recent court case. Therefore, for the foreseeable future we are self-employed until the court case is resolved in Its entirety. Nobody knows whichever way the court case will go, or the implications of any decisions made by the court. Uber may even decide to leave the UK if their appeal fails. We can only guess. At the moment though, Uber drivers are responsible for paying tax and national insurance on their own earnings.

    2. It is usually the requirement of your council licencing department whether you have to display the Uber stickers on the doors. It is most likely that you would have to display the stickers of Uber on the doors as part of the licencing laws in your city.
    You will also have to have a 'plate' on the front bumper and another on the back bumper which will display details of the car you are driving. The cars registration, the number given to your car by the licencing department. The date when the car's test certificate runs out.
    Basically, have a close look at any minicab/private hire car/Uber car in your city. They will all have a plastic plate on the front and back bumper (additional to your car's own normal registration plate.) In most places, it is plastic. In a few places it may be a highly durable sticker. In either case. These must be displayed while you are working
    Also worth noting is that the council of your choice that you decide to be licenced with may have additional requirements. Some councils require you to have a roof light with a number on it. Others require you to have the name of the company you are working with (such as Uber in your case) displayed in the rear window, or above the wheel arches etc. Also most require a permanent additional sticker on each of the rear doors.
    Your Uber car will be a minicab taxi.
    Uber provide you with Uber stickers, but they don't require you use them. It is up to your licencing department if you have to use them.
    The council will provide you with your 'plates' and other stickers you need by law.

    3. Yes you can do both. You can also you your car for UberEats. But I don't think you can work Uber and UberEats together at the same time. You would likely have to log out of one to do the other. Not 100% on that though.
     
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2016
  10. Arcane1729

    Arcane1729 New Member

    Location:
    Birmingham
    1) Oh I really hope they don't lose :(- the whole great thing about working for the company was self employment and working whenever you wanted.
    2) I assume the following is what you meant: Twin-Plate-Holder-Platform-for-Taxi-Private-Hire.jpg
    I've personally never seen these ever on an Uber car or any private hire vehicle in birmingham tbh- (certainly not on the front)- certainly no roof light for birm uber but other private hire yes- the rest of the stuff I'll try too look out for.

    3) Oh that's good - oh I wasn't planning on working for both at the same time- I feel it's ineffecient to do food delivery in a car anyway

    I was planning on working for uber from 4-9am. Apparently it's really busy at this time- Suppose I make hopefully the worst case scenario £10 an hour. If I'm losing 170 every week on rent- that's 35 hours in a week worked so a 170/35= £4.86 loss per hour. That's now 10-4.86=£5.14. Also losing more money on fuel and maintenance. Not worth it at all.

    I know Birmingham city centre very well as I've worked for deliveroo every day for 3 months in the summer. This is much better than having lived there for ages I think. The previous place I lived most of my life and I certainly couldn't find my way around as well as I can Birmingham city centre.
     
  11. Arcane1729

    Arcane1729 New Member

    Location:
    Birmingham
    Yeah I think I'm going to have to accept that this is not going to go anywhere at all until I reach 12 months experience.
     
  12. Taxi8

    Taxi8 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Manchester
    I'll be honest mate. Working with Uber is a nightmare. On paper it looks good, the adverts sound good.
    The reality though is that you may struggle to pay your bills. It is not easy, and generally not affordable part-time. Doing it full time barely keeps your head above water.
     
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  13. FastTrading

    FastTrading New Member

    Location:
    Boston
    Do you do other things to make ends meet, like working from home, etc?
     
  14. mods1964

    mods1964 Active Member

    Location:
    London
    Amazing just passed driving test and thinks capable of driving the public around,,, uber really is a race to the bottom !!
     
  15. Surgehunter

    Surgehunter Member

    Location:
    TORONTO
    Driving:
    UberSELECT
    Lol damn you guys have it bad in U.K...
     
  16. uberupnorth

    uberupnorth Active Member

    Location:
    Bradford
    Driving:
    UberX
    That's because, generally, we are fully licensed and insured private hire/taxi drivers, as opposed to 'rideshare' drivers.
     
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  17. Surgehunter

    Surgehunter Member

    Location:
    TORONTO
    Driving:
    UberSELECT
    Whatever mate
     
  18. bob swagger

    bob swagger New Member

    Location:
    cambs
    it means your buying a ****e car although it will be a match for the ****e company you will be working for
     

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