If Uber is declared an employer will you still drive?

Would you become an employee of Uber?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 35.3%
  • No

    Votes: 11 64.7%

  • Total voters
    17

Papa Sarducci

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Hypothetically if Uber went to court and lost and was declared an employer would you stay on as a driver or find other work?
 

Ubernic

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It really depends on what that would mean. As an employee I feel my wages would be capped, and I would be told where to drive. Not sure I want that, or that that could even work.
 

Papa Sarducci

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I would imagine you would become an on-call employee, not hourly, but paid by the job. It would open a whole new can of worms really. I suppose they could screw you out of benefits by capping the amount of work they send you to prevent you from going over 32 per week I believe is the current minimum.Then again, 32 solid hours of work would be better than what we get now, I would probably drive nearly double that to obtain 32 actual paid hours.
 

Lnsky

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If they are declared an employer would you not have to be paid on a W2 not 1099?

I don't see how their model could work with drivers as employees.
 

Papa Sarducci

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If they are declared an employer would you not have to be paid on a W2 not 1099?

I don't see how their model could work with drivers as employees.
And this is a huge problem for Uber, what would Uber even look like if this happened, more importantly, would Uber even exist anymore? Could Uber, even with its vast resources, handle becoming the Worlds largest taxi company?
 

Papa Sarducci

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If they are declared an employer would you not have to be paid on a W2 not 1099?

I don't see how their model could work with drivers as employees.
I don't think a lot would change actually, your taxes would just be taken out before you got paid, from the driver's point of view it would just mean less money for the same amount of work. Uber on the other hand would have a huge burden administratively managing taxes and benefits for that many employees.
 

Lnsky

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And this is a huge problem for Uber, what would Uber even look like if this happened, more importantly, would Uber even exist anymore? Could Uber, even with its vast resources, handle becoming the Worlds largest taxi company?
Firstly most taxi drivers are 1099 and less oversight. Uber made their bed and now most lie in it. Drivers and pax were happy a sustainable rates.

They wouldn't have had to put all of these measurements in place to force drivers to accept rides if they wouldn't have lowered, lowered and lowers rates.

They made themselves an employer inadvertently by taking away motivation for drivers to drive. They thought this crop is just spoiled try a new one. But in the end what they were left with was ex taxi drivers and foreign nationals who don't know any better.

Uber is horribly mismanaged and I can't believe how many investors jumped in that train. It still baffles me.

So I had some hot shot from Janus in my office and he was explaining to all of us which stocks were safe bets and not so safe and just plain bad. Uber is basically worse than a bad bet it's a losing bet. He thought it was silly for me to even bring up. We would never put your money into something like Uber.

People don't expect it to hang around anymore. Uber big thing is driverless cars but what they seem to somehow not understand is that lots of people see this opportunity, will do it better and it makes them irrelevant.

Their tech worked for its time. But screwing there network of drivers was the nail in the coffin.
 

Lnsky

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I don't think a lot would change actually, your taxes would just be taken out before you got paid, from the driver's point of view it would just mean less money for the same amount of work. Uber on the other hand would have a huge burden administratively managing taxes and benefits for that many employees.
It isn't less money it's just less money upfront. Easier tax process for sure though.
 

Papa Sarducci

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It isn't less money it's just less money upfront. Easier tax process for sure though.
My weekly paycheck drops it sure feels like less money to me. Sure, I won't have to pay later, but my $0.54/mile usually eliminates that burden anyway.
 

SEAL Team 5

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I don't think a lot would change actually, your taxes would just be taken out before you got paid, from the driver's point of view it would just mean less money for the same amount of work. Uber on the other hand would have a huge burden administratively managing taxes and benefits for that many employees.
Just the damn hiring process would be incredible. Depending on the state, you have E Verify, W 4's, State income Tax, mandatory drug testing per worker's comp, child support data base checks, fingerprinting, proper criminal background checks, DOT medical physicals, proper licensing and probably the most important, Uber now becomes more liable with having an employee rather than just an IC. Uber would be held responsible for the proper upkeep of all vehicles, responsible for the actions of all drivers whether legal or not, the responsibility to make sure are vehicles are properly insured to state mandated commercial requirements. So to put it another way, Uber's rates would have to increase to that more of a taxi. Probably around $3.00 a mile.
 

Squirming Like A Toad

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Absolutely not. We would end up making less due to the administrative costs of having employees. It would also force out the best drivers- the intelligent guys who have plenty of employment options and drive a few hours a week for extra bucks and to relieve boredom. What you would have left are the ones who would otherwise be fast food workers.

Uber works because of the ambition of the drivers who set their own hours and locations for maximum efficiency. We experiment, modify, and reduce our own expenses for maximum efficiency. Employees don't do that, they just do as they are told and there is no way it could work as well.
 
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Cctx61

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It would depend on the conditions of employment. If they set my hours and paid me minimum wage, no.

It's not going to happen. Uber knows what the rules are and I'm sure they have a team of lawyers to make sure their policies don't cross the line that would make us employees. The IRS sets the definitions for employees and independent contractors and it has to with how much control the company has over the worker. Even if a court did rule that were employees, Uber would just adjust their policies to satisfy the court's definition.
 

Cctx61

Member
Their model doesn't even work with drivers as IC's.
I think the definition of a business model working is that the business makes money, and they make lots of it. They are easily the national leader in ridesharing and probably the world. If you want to make real money, wait for them to go public and buy stock.
 
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