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If I was Tracey Cook lol

erexa

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Here is what I would have drafted (I am skipping taxi related things, mainly focusing on uber and likes)

Safety measures

1. Non city installed front facing and inside facing cameras in all cars, no need to be under constant police survailance for cars who are not only used for commercial activities but also for personal use.
2. Winter tires from Dec 1st to March 30th
3. Once a year inspections at official manufacturer's dealerships. This could be a nice compromise for city run inspections vs street shops, since very rarely official dealership will provide a shady safety inspection (just not worthy for them to do so). Inspections could be even done at Canadian Tire, and there is precedent, if you import a vehicle to Canada, all Canadian Tire locations are authorized to do this special type of inspection to see if vehicle meets the import criteria, so they can use this same practice for uber inspection.
4. Criminal record checks just like it already exists for taxi/limo drivers

Insurance

1. Instruct FSCO to come up with hybrid policy of 2 ml liability insurance to be used across the platforms (both for taxis and uber). People must pay not more than what they used in terms of commercial activity. An ODB2 device in combination with uber records will assure smooth handling of policy claims. ODB2 device logs times of day car started and drive, parked, etc so a typical ODB2 reading in logs would be
#. Car started March 1, 2016, 08.00, Parking mode
#. Car started moving, March 2, 2016, 08.05 Driving mode
#. Car stopped March 2, 2016, 08.06, Driving mode
etc.
A claim specialists would be able to analyse these logs on request and logs of uber invoices to determine the eligibility of claim and they do because similar products already exist in Canadian market for drunk drivers being offered rehab insurance. Insurance company currently installs ODB2 device that requires driver to blow into it before he can even start and drive the car and that device logs the information I stated. So they can use the same practice to offer hubrid insurance policies.
Insurance products offered would have base nominal fee and driving mode covered, covering the driver on all 3 modes of ride for hail activities (uber app on waiting for request, reqest picked up driving to passenger pickup, picked up a passenger driving to drop off).

Fees and accounting

1. 20K PTC(TNC) brokerage fee paid by uber, lyft etc.
2. 10$ a driver fee paid by applicant drivers
3. 20 cents a trip paid by rider, automatically added to PTC(TNC) trip invoice
4. A clear line on invoices indicating collected HST that is passed on drivers, so that drivers can easily track their HST collected and remit or claim as expense as needed

Hope I did not miss anything. Me being unprofessional drafted this in 20 minutes, what the hell (I would have used strong word here) city staff worked on over months to draft that controversial piece of banana (again a stronger word) called proposed regulations?
 

PoorBasterd

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If I were Tracy Cook, I'd be getting good paychecks as a municipal civil-servant and I wouldn't need to turn my family chariot into a glorified gypsi-cab
 

Actionjax

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Non city installed front facing and inside facing cameras in all cars, no need to be under constant police survailance for cars who are not only used for commercial activities but also for personal use.
Why make it mandatory. If it is not running all the time what is the reason to make this a regulation. This should be encouraged but not made a regulation. I have never had or never needed one for the type of use I do with Uber. passenger can not be assured of safety because a driver can turn it off anytime.

2. Winter tires from Dec 1st to March 30th
For sure this is a must

3. Once a year inspections at official manufacturer's dealerships. This could be a nice compromise for city run inspections vs street shops, since very rarely official dealership will provide a shady safety inspection (just not worthy for them to do so). Inspections could be even done at Canadian Tire, and there is precedent, if you import a vehicle to Canada, all Canadian Tire locations are authorized to do this special type of inspection to see if vehicle meets the import criteria, so they can use this same practice for uber inspection.
If it's safe for the province it should be safe for the public. I find most back alley shops are more above board because they have more to lose if they fudge the DMV certification and they are caught. Most won't risk it. There should be an agreed sent of safety standards for all and exemptions on items like meters and cameras as part of the vehicle inspection.

4. Criminal record checks just like it already exists for taxi/limo drivers
Long as one is done I don't care who does it. Ubers is as good as the ones we use at the Bank. The City one is not as good as they are not always accurate in their system for International offenses. (I have been screened by both as well as the Comisionaries that includes a Interpol search as well with full fingerprints.)

I do think everyone should be fingerprinted. But that's just a preference.

1. Instruct FSCO to come up with hybrid policy of 2 ml liability insurance to be used across the platforms (both for taxis and uber). People must pay not more than what they used in terms of commercial activity. An ODB2 device in combination with uber records will assure smooth handling of policy claims. ODB2 device logs times of day car started and drive, parked, etc so a typical ODB2 reading in logs would be
#. Car started March 1, 2016, 08.00, Parking mode
#. Car started moving, March 2, 2016, 08.05 Driving mode
#. Car stopped March 2, 2016, 08.06, Driving mode
etc.
A claim specialists would be able to analyse these logs on request and logs of uber invoices to determine the eligibility of claim and they do because similar products already exist in Canadian market for drunk drivers being offered rehab insurance. Insurance company currently installs ODB2 device that requires driver to blow into it before he can even start and drive the car and that device logs the information I stated. So they can use the same practice to offer hubrid insurance policies.
Insurance products offered would have base nominal fee and driving mode covered, covering the driver on all 3 modes of ride for hail activities (uber app on waiting for request, reqest picked up driving to passenger pickup, picked up a passenger driving to drop off).
Agree that a pro rated amount should be charged to all. Including Taxi's. I even support this for non Uber Drivers. If you only drive on weekends, shouldn't your rates reflect that?

20K PTC(TNC) brokerage fee paid by uber, lyft etc.
No issues here. They need to pay something.

10$ a driver fee paid by applicant drivers
Uber paying it is not an issue. This could also weed out drivers who haven't been online in awhile and Uber can mark them as inactive.

20 cents a trip paid by rider, automatically added to PTC(TNC) trip invoice
Agree it should be charged and part of the new fee Uber charges.

A clear line on invoices indicating collected HST that is passed on drivers, so that drivers can easily track their HST collected and remit or claim as expense as needed
Would be nice to show HST. But not a CRA Requirement as long as it is stated up front that the fee is inclusive of HST. But on that note I can see Uber charging it across the board and requiring all drivers to get an HST number. Uber can easily remit it on the behalf of the driver automatically.
 

erexa

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I put it there just to shut off some mouths by taxi industry :smiles:

Winter tires
For sure this is a must
+!

Safety inspection
I know many garages who will give safety certificate for 70$ and they won't even ask to see the car. Donno, this has to be taken a bit seriously.

Criminal checks
+!

Insurance
+!

Brokerage fee for uber
+!

TNC driver permit fee
+!

City charge per ride
+!

Yeah not as CRA requirement, it just helps drivers to separate HST from income, easier to do accounting for drivers.

So I think yes mostly what we think are inline and make sense, not sure what city will decide
 

UberZF

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1. Non city installed front facing and inside facing cameras in all cars, no need to be under constant police survailance for cars who are not only used for commercial activities but also for personal use.
Already got it, and I archive my inside facing videos nightly, onto a 6TB Drive, that's Cloud Backed up. - 2 year retention policy.
2. Winter tires from Dec 1st to March 30th
This is an Absolute Must.... Stupid to drive without them.


3. Once a year inspections at official manufacturer's dealerships. This could be a nice compromise for city run inspections vs street shops, since very rarely official dealership will provide a shady safety inspection (just not worthy for them to do so). Inspections could be even done at Canadian Tire, and there is precedent, if you import a vehicle to Canada, all Canadian Tire locations are authorized to do this special type of inspection to see if vehicle meets the import criteria, so they can use this same practice for uber inspection.
I agree, but Not Canadian Tire... I did my Inspection at 3 different locations, indicating I want a proper MTO Safety as part of the check. 2 of 3 did nothing, just went wrote Vin, pushed on the hood, and 45min later charged me the $40 ... I questioned the process,
1st location told me to @@@@ off... (I ripped the manager a New one after that, and got a refund). Senior & Mechanic were reported to MTO for not doing a proper safety check, and falsifying the report.
2nd location one brought it in, but still didn't hoist to do the inspection. - Again, I demanded a refund.
3rd Location, however, did a full proper safety, and "Found" an issue with my breaks, being worn down. Funny though, My dealer had done a full safety a week before, and replaced the said breaks.... So I confronted the manager, and it was redone by a senior mechanic, who showed me why the new guy made the "mistake".

4. Criminal record checks just like it already exists for taxi/limo drivers
Again, this is absolute must.


1. Instruct FSCO to come up with hybrid policy of 2 ml liability insurance to be used across the platforms (both for taxis and uber). People must pay not more than what they used in terms of commercial activity. An ODB2 device in combination with uber records will assure smooth handling of policy claims. ODB2 device logs times of day car started and drive, parked, etc so a typical ODB2 reading in logs would be
#. Car started March 1, 2016, 08.00, Parking mode
#. Car started moving, March 2, 2016, 08.05 Driving mode
#. Car stopped March 2, 2016, 08.06, Driving mode
etc.
A claim specialists would be able to analyse these logs on request and logs of uber invoices to determine the eligibility of claim and they do because similar products already exist in Canadian market for drunk drivers being offered rehab insurance. Insurance company currently installs ODB2 device that requires driver to blow into it before he can even start and drive the car and that device logs the information I stated. So they can use the same practice to offer hubrid insurance policies.
Insurance products offered would have base nominal fee and driving mode covered, covering the driver on all 3 modes of ride for hail activities (uber app on waiting for request, reqest picked up driving to passenger pickup, picked up a passenger driving to drop off).
Agreed, but they have to account for personal driving as well... and allow flexibility over a month or 3month period. I average 12-15h / weekend, but long weekends I can hit up to 25h, but Aviva has already said they will not be very flexible on their weekly limit.


Fees and accounting

1. 20K PTC(TNC) brokerage fee paid by uber, lyft etc.
2. 10$ a driver fee paid by applicant drivers
3. 20 cents a trip paid by rider, automatically added to PTC(TNC) trip invoice
4. A clear line on invoices indicating collected HST that is passed on drivers, so that drivers can easily track their HST collected and remit or claim as expense as needed
This would be a good thing, but the HST would be collected by the PTC brokerage, and not the drivers themselvs.
 

Uberchampion

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Really? What did you pay for your background check?
Absolutely nothing when signing up. However if the city takes the lead more likely than not, drivers will have to pay up front. Uber may reimburse drivers after x rides but there will be upfront costs that most of us ( myself included) didn't have to worry about when we signed up.

My only fee was $40 at Canadian tire to check out my car. And that was a month after starting to drive uber once I knew I liked it


Actionjax -you have a lot more insight into Uber's future actions than the rest of us because of your relationships there.

Are they going to pay all of the potential licencing, insurance ,background check, car inspection fees etc. if the city implements their proposed regulations?

If not, I believe they will lose a whole lot of people like me and you who truely do it part time.
 

Uberchampion

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Really? What did you pay for your background check?
Ps. I believe they will download most of the costs because of how they have implemented all of their other changes. I don't think they give a damn about the drivers. Eg. Uber Pool, slow responses to driver issues, rate changes, %comp changes....

Detroits $0.30 a mile speaks volumes about the value they place on drivers.

Let's say I get tnc insurance for $80 a month. Actionjax- Will Uber raise rates to offset my added expenses?
 

Actionjax

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Uber has stated the $10 per driver license fee they want to pay on behalf of the driver. They want to pay for the background checks if they can continue using the 3rd party service they always use. As for the vehicle inspection well that is always on us. I got mine this year waved as I needed new tires and ball joints to pass the inspection. They waived the inspection fee with what I spent.

Uber has no problem paying for a driver to a certain point. But if that driver is barely working the platform they might not cover some of the costs. Insurance will always be something we pay. People will all want different types of policies and the management of claims it's easier to let us deal with it and keep Uber out of it.

Uber will not raise rates to cover any of those expenses. That's not them talking on the point that's just a reality of the consumer demand for inexpensive services. If drivers are not signing up and there is a vacuum of drivers that might change. But that is usually never the case. Someone is always worse off than you.
 

Uberchampion

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Uber has stated the $10 per driver license fee they want to pay on behalf of the driver. They want to pay for the background checks if they can continue using the 3rd party service they always use. As for the vehicle inspection well that is always on us. I got mine this year waved as I needed new tires and ball joints to pass the inspection. They waived the inspection fee with what I spent.

Uber has no problem paying for a driver to a certain point. But if that driver is barely working the platform they might not cover some of the costs. Insurance will always be something we pay. People will all want different types of policies and the management of claims it's easier to let us deal with it and keep Uber out of it.

Uber will not raise rates to cover any of those expenses. That's not them talking on the point that's just a reality of the consumer demand for inexpensive services. If drivers are not signing up and there is a vacuum of drivers that might change. But that is usually never the case. Someone is always worse off than you.
My original point which I did a bad job of conveying in my post should have been the costs involved in signing up with Uber may be prohibitive for part times moving forward. This will dilute the pool of drivers and take away from the whole "ride sharing" concepts

As a part timer I enjoy the money and the interactions I have with people I wouldn't normally interact with. I enjoy it but I wouldn't invest money into it for the privilege of driving pax around.

Im guilty as with most of only posting about my no bad pax. I should post more often about the great ones who have asked me mid ride if they can hop in the front to continue our conversations.
 

Actionjax

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I have no problem paying my fair share of the costs provided there is a return that makes sense. We all need to pay something as Taxi's have been doing it for years. But it needs to represent a fee that in relation to the income a driver is making.

I don't think $150 a year would put any Uber driver in the poor house. Nor would $100 per month tacked on their car insurance each month. Well worth it for my type of driving. And I'm as part time as they come.
 

erexa

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Background check that uber does costs 27$. It has been well covered on newstalk 1010, they called the CFO of the company that does it for uber and he confirmed.
 

Uberchampion

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I have no problem paying my fair share of the costs provided there is a return that makes sense. We all need to pay something as Taxi's have been doing it for years. But it needs to represent a fee that in relation to the income a driver is making.

I don't think $150 a year would put any Uber driver in the poor house. Nor would $100 per month tacked on their car insurance each month. Well worth it for my type of driving. And I'm as part time as they come.
Do taxis give a % of their meter fare to their cab company or is it based on a flat rate? Taxi's can to an extent offer flat rates and refuse pax they don't want.

I agree that Drivers should pitch in. But moving forward, if I have extra expenses, I would think that UBer no longer needs 25% from me since they are not subsidizing my additional expenses as they have in the past.
 

Actionjax

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Background check that uber does costs 27$. It has been well covered on newstalk 1010, they called the CFO of the company that does it for uber and he confirmed.
The TPS check costs $20. And I am sure Uber gets a volume deal on it. We pay less I am sure they do too.
 

Actionjax

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Do taxis give a % of their meter fare to their cab company or is it based on a flat rate? Taxi's can to an extent offer flat rates and refuse pax they don't want.

I agree that Drivers should pitch in. But moving forward, if I have extra expenses, I would think that UBer no longer needs 25% from me since they are not subsidizing my additional expenses as they have in the past.
Taxi's pay much higher feed to brokerage companies and plate owners. in the tune of about $800 per week to rent a car. (Could be lower now as I hear it's around $500 now since Uber). And it's illegal for a taxi to go off the meter. That's a regulated environment.
 

Uberchampion

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Taxi's pay much higher feed to brokerage companies and plate owners. in the tune of about $800 per week to rent a car. (Could be lower now as I hear it's around $500 now since Uber). And it's illegal for a taxi to go off the meter. That's a regulated environment.
What are your thoughts on the 25%?
 
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