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We've had some of the harshest lockdowns in Australia from the beginning. What more would you have wanted him to do from the beginning?The outbreaks were created purely because of his government's failure to act and "do the right thing"
He didn't hire anyone. His government contracted a company. The company hired guards, all of which have to be licensed. So that's a VicPol ****up if anything.Hiring of poorly trained security guards
You are saying that they were both driving and being a security guard at the exact same time? Or that they had two jobs that they did at different times, it's really hard to tell from the way you wrote it.who did Ubers/taxi rides while being on the job
Once more. Daniel Andrews is not responsible for the actions of individuals. Is he responsible for when anyone driving an uber does a dodgy slider?and allowed hotel guests to go out to 7/11 for coffee and out shopping
The guards. They make their own choices. Private security is used basically everywhere in our society. Is it a problem everywhere else? State governments use private companies to administer and guard at least some of our prisons, where there are convicted murderers and rapists. What possible reason would they have had to suspect that private security could guard murderers but some returned tourists might post a problem?Who's fault was that?
You've posted elsewhere that you refuse to wear a mask. Is Daniel Andrews responsible for that choice?
Which has precisely zero to do with anything. Unless they were unlicensed in which case the security company is going to have a lot to answer for. If they were being paid cash under the table, that's the fault of the employer. Immigration and visa compliance is a federal matter, so it's Scott Morrison who's responsible for that if you are going to continue on with your line that it's the person in charge of the government to blame. I assume you hold Scott Morrison personally responsible for every bartender, waitstaff, hotel staff, cleaner and many many other occupations that get paid cash under the table as well?The guards were on visas / some international students who were working for cash
I don't disagree at all. The problem is, it's the guards who are at fault and the company that hired them. That's it.No one with right morals and respect for their work would endanger the lives of everyone else by acting so irresponsibly
Which in any case wouldn't have been Daniel Andrews. It would have been someone far down the chain. You think the authorises every little thing his government does?All blame should go to who authorised these things to happen
I believe that advice has changed since then. I don't know the date on that because it's so blurry and only a single quote has been highlighted.People were told they don't have to isolate if they are feeling well
Also, if anything, that would seem to be the CHOs fault.
Expecting anyone to be perfect in such a high pressure situation where things change drastically from day to day is just unrealistic.He @@@@ed up in a lot of ways
So, I had to go out today to get some grocery shopping done. I saw at least 10 people without masks. Is Daniel Andrews to blame for their decisions as well?
Because there were no linked outbreaks. I believe what you are referring to is that four weeks after they attended the protests, some people tested positive. The timeline just doesn't work. It has a maximum incubation period of two weeks. Those people caught it from another source of transmission.Andrews hasn't said a WORD about the outbreaks from these protests
Not quite. People felt the could attend the protest becuase:The protests made people think the pandemic is over and life is back to normal
1. People were basically thinking life was back to normal except the pubs weren't open anyway
2. Many were bored and it was something to do
3. Fines weren't going to be handed out. This was a good choice because if you try and fine a 10,000 strong protest, it's gonna turn ugly. Better to keep it peaceful.
My thoughts on the protest and it's timing have been posted several times in other threads.
I'm happy to acknowledge where he's not made the best choices. But it's really easy to do that in hindsight and without being in the hot seat now isn't it.
I mean, you can't seem to figure out how to make $20 an hour gross during lockdown (you've asked me before how it was done when others were saying they were making $4-8 gross). So given that you can't figure out something as simple as that, I can't see how you'd be in any position to be a credible judge of the choices Daniel Andrews and his government have made.
Despite the fact that Victoria's total case numbers are without a doubt very high relative to the rest of Australia, compared to the rest of the world we've gotten away virtually scot free from a helath perspective. It's important to keep some objectivity as well.
Although asking for that on this reactionary forum is probably going a bit far.