I took a 180 on my feeling on prop 22 today. I now support it

Soldiering

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Californians are not stupid. You have no idea how Californians are struggling and you will never understand.
Rent is very expensive and triple than South west state when pay is almost double. A lot of Californians needs to work 2 jobs. Some work 3 jobs to cover the house rent and bills. So they need Uber as a part time job. For riders who are working 2 or 3 jobs need Uber to be in CA and they want their pick up quick. They get up from bed early hour around 2:00 am. Some needs Uber Eats to make food delivery. Some needs ride when Bus is not avail yet that early hours. They have to switch jobs after first job is done and some needs quick Uber pick up. After second job, it is getting dark and they want to go home as soon as possible. Then they need Uber again.
So Californians need Uber more than other state does. Only Uber drivers and Residents from New York city would understand.

Edit.... During this pandemic season, after many has lost their jobs and when people don't want to go outside for foods, Californians need App base driving jobs more than Ever.
Californians did it too themselves. They voted in lefty communist politicians and let CHINA OWN SAN FRAN. Uber an Gryft are culpable in not paying you enough but it doesn't seem like you ever could get paid enough by a private enterprise entity as your state is socialist. I just HATE the fact that my state shares a border with your corrupt state. Us drivers are supposed to be contracters not employees. As for Sleepy Joe, were all screwed if he becomes PREZ.
 

sasu66

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Californians did it too themselves. They voted in lefty communist politicians and let CHINA OWN SAN FRAN. Uber an Gryft are culpable in not paying you enough but it doesn't seem like you ever could get paid enough by a private enterprise entity as your state is socialist. I just HATE the fact that my state shares a border with your corrupt state. Us drivers are supposed to be contracters not employees. As for Sleepy Joe, were all screwed if he becomes PREZ.
Are you talking about the same Uber, that is owned by Saudi Arabia's government and using Soviet Union's communist tactics while donating millions to the Republican Party to influence conservative voters?
 

observer

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Few days ago my brother in law asked why can’t Uber do prop 22 B next year if it fails at first attempt.

He said what if they fail and do prop 22 B next year with better terms. Would I vote yes then? Would the drivers want to stay independent then?

As a prop 22 HATER it got me thinking.

There is nothing stopping a more popular prop 22B next year. The AB5 supporters like me would flip sides in a heart beat if Uber satisfied our concerns.

Worst case and AB5 stands, it’s not like Uber doesn’t have the money, they can study why prop 22 failed and improve the terms to satisfy the complainers.

Yes to prop 22 B 2021

no fault lifetime Workers comp
Better contribution package so driver can enroll themself In their choice of benefit.
Better mileage rate with guarantee it doesn’t go down.
Driver cap so drivers don’t spend more than 1/3 of their time waiting.
There's one slight problem with your idea.

The next election is in 2022.

By then Uber will have drivers classified as employees.
 

goneubering

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OK folks,

vote yes on california prop 22.

I want to see it passed.

Why?

I want see prop 22 pass so that the federal government can look on in shock and actually do something about this in January. I think that in January Uncle Joe Biden is going to get some visits from some union guys and start doing something about worker classification on a national level.

Having prop 22 pass and having the California state governor and legislature go to the federal legislature and Uncle Joe to nip this employment classification in the bud might be the clearest path to solving the underpayment problem.


So vote yes on prop 22 so the California gov comes whining to the federal government that uber is being mean and Californians are too damn stupid to get when they have had wool pulled over their eyes.

Do you really think Sleepy Uncle Joe will be able to fix this?
 

Stevie The magic Unicorn

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Do you really think Sleepy Uncle Joe will be able to fix this?

I don’t know, but between naps he might actually try. And don’t forget with a lot of gig workers getting unemployment in 2020 they could close the “tax loophole” and require it on a federal level due to the unemployment issues.

If anything I think nap time joe will be more prone to back it once the unions show up at the White House to ask him to.

The Democrats are yes men to the unions. The Republicans bend over for the corporations.


I think we want the pro union guys in charge to fix this.
 

jeanocelot

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Californians are not stupid. You have no idea how Californians are struggling and you will never understand.
Rent is very expensive and triple than South west state when pay is almost double. A lot of Californians needs to work 2 jobs. Some work 3 jobs to cover the house rent and bills. So they need Uber as a part time job. For riders who are working 2 or 3 jobs need Uber to be in CA and they want their pick up quick. They get up from bed early hour around 2:00 am. Some needs Uber Eats to make food delivery. Some needs ride when Bus is not avail yet that early hours. They have to switch jobs after first job is done and some needs quick Uber pick up. After second job, it is getting dark and they want to go home as soon as possible. Then they need Uber again.
So Californians need Uber more than other state does. Only Uber drivers and Residents from New York city would understand.

Edit.... During this pandemic season, after many has lost their jobs and when people don't want to go outside for foods, Californians need App base driving jobs more than Ever.
I had lived in SoCAL in the late '80s, and even then I thought it was expensive (I was an aerospace engineer), although when I got a 550 ft^2 place for only $520 in Huntington Beach, I was feeling a bit better. Still, becoming a canonical homeowner was my version of the American Dream, and I ended up moving to a much more normal-priced locale and got a whole single-family detached starter home for about the same amount, that got knocked down to $400/mo after refinancing during the Bush-the-Elder recession.) It's gotten far more ridiculous out there now!
 

stuber

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Defining ICs is of national importance and it should be decided by federal law once and for all. I think ICs are the best model for ride share, but that means the apps need to be built for ICs. Instead we have apps and corporate policies designed for employees, then have allowed companies to classify drivers as ICs. It’s MADNESS.
 

Stevie The magic Unicorn

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Defining ICs is of national importance and it should be decided by federal law once and for all. I think ICs are the best model for ride share, but that means the apps need to be built for ICs. Instead we have apps and corporate policies designed for employees, then have allowed companies to classify drivers as ICs. It’s MADNESS.

if uber was an app for taxi drivers and professional chaffeurs i'd have no problem with it.

The chauffeurs would be charging $4.50-$5.00 a mile and in Escalades, Beemers, Lexus(what the F is the plural for Lexus?) and Teslas, and the tax drivers would be charging $2.40 a mile a driving Camrys and Sienna's, ect.


Uber could charge 10% off the top and have next to zero actual expenses, while making more per fare than they currently do.

Heck they could even take 25% off the top of taxis and it would be a survivable rate running dispatch calls.

The cabs would actually have a service worth using yaddy yadda, everyone would be happy with the service. In times/places where dispatching cars makes no sense, they wouldn't be dispatched. The airport comes to mind.


That's what they should do and what they should have done from the beginning. They do that and then they can let the cab companies worry about employment classification and the underpayment lawsuits, the customers lawsuits, the permitting, ect ect.



Right now the technology is overshadowed by the skeevy business practices.



Sure everyone would need commercial insurance but i think that's inevitable anyway, and would prevent people from doing uninsured cash rides. Probably the only way I see to completely eliminate that problem.

The only issue is that this model would eliminate anyone who doesn't do this full time, you could go to a taxi shop and rent a car part time but the problem with that is that pre-uber the weekend shifts were impossible for the part timers to get, further eliminating the odds of it working out for them.


Really i think this is the best bet, regulation of the industry.


53c a mile 8c a minute is what no regulation gets you.

For the record, the city of Orlando sets both the customer price and the driver taxi rental price. IE it's not the cab company that determines the maximum amount the cab company can charge us to rent a cab. It's the City regulators.


If uber unlocked the ubertaxi model for any insured licensed cab and eliminated X I'd get commercial insurance buy a meter and get a nice decal in a heartbeat.
 
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