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How to successfully mobilize public opinion against Gryft's removal of PT

Marco Solo

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I worked in nonprofit PR for many years, so I know that many underfunded campaigns succeed because they are designed to attract OPM--Other People's Money. We need to raise public awareness of our impending doom by marshalling OPR--Other People's Resources--and giving them win-win opportunities to achieve their goals by getting involved in supporting our cause. For instance, Seattle Councilmember Sawant's relentless hunger for publicity can be harnessed to work for us, even if there's no chance the Council will act in our favor. She can make tens of thousands of pax aware of this issue through her usual grandstanding

To fight this new policy (--and Boober's Charlotte surge scam, which is looming in the wings awaiting eventual national expansion/adoption--), drivers' only hope of success lies in mobilizing outraged pax to complain to Gryft and take their business to Boober.

Rideshare customers like to believe that they are supporting their local drivers. Many pax have told me that they know drivers get 80% of the charged fare. If pax were to find out the truth about how little of what Gryft (and Boober) is charging them actually gets paid to us, they *will* be outraged.

Someone here commented--correctly--that drivers will lose in the court of public opinion if our complaints/protest appear self-serving and predatory (towards what pax pay). We cannot succeed if pax believe we simply want to continue making money off them.

Pax assume we get most of what they pay to Gryft. All we need to do is inform & educate them about how Gryft (and/or Boober) is paying us an even smaller percentage of what they charge the pax. Get pax outraged, and both Gryft and Boober will tread cautiously to avoid losing business (especially to each other).

This can be done through social media; outreach to local journalists & online media; public protests by drivers *and their families* threatened with financial ruin (ideally joined by sympathetic pax), covered by TV and bloggers; and simple information sheets available in our cars for pax to read and take with them. I plan to write such an information sheet and pass it out to my pax. I know which media outlets and reporters to target, too.

Anyone who would like to help with input for the fact sheet can do so (via PM) by supplying me with well-executed graphics that illustrate the loss of income from Gryft's deprecation (removal) of PT. (Also, for Boober's Charlotte surge scam.) If you're willing to explain the economic impact of these proposed policies in interviews with local (or national) media outlets, let me know.

Other ways to help:

Identify a lawyer willing to work with/for us on (preventing) arrests for blocking streets or venues.

Supply materials for protest/picket signs.

Supply loudspeakers.

Share contact info for influencers you know in government, the (news & entertainment) media, and nonprofits who would be likely to support us.

If you know someone who runs a printing or copy shop and is willing to let us create/copy public-education materials, let me know.
 

Marco Solo

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No, it wasn't what we signed up for, and we have the screenshots of the previous income distribution arrangements to prove it.

While you are correct that we have no legal recourse under contract law, the court of public opinion is a vastly larger playing field--and one that is easily manipulated.
 
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heynow321

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No, it wasn't what we signed up for, and we have the screenshots of the previous income distribution arrangements to prove it.

While you are correct that we have no legal recourse under contract law, the court of public opinion is a vastly larger playing field.
I’ve posted that picture of the lift ride in Chicago where lift made more than the driver. Pictures like that should be spread around social media to raise awareness.

Gryft successfully capitalized on boobers pr problems last year by presenting itself as the driver friendly company. I still have customers to this day who believe that. I correct them at every turn. If we start getting it out there that gryft is seriously screwing us (ANd more importantly, the passengers too) The court of public opinion will do more damage than any court of law could do.

It’s crucial to remind the passengers that they are being screwed as well. That is what will garner the most sympathy
 

IERide

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When i hit “accept” to the new terms, I signed up for it... That’s my interpretation- nobody is twisting my arm forcing me to continue to drive for terms that I do not agree with.
I dont fault you for wanting to try/actually trying to do something - We shall see if it helps or not.
It’s my prediction though, that unless it’s the Pax that are paying more/getting screwed, the majority of people (the pax) wont care. Further, even if there IS a big noise made, Uber/Lyft wont care, because we can all be easily replaced with 1o other drivers that will faithfully drive for probably even less...All it takes is another couple of TV commercials.
 

heynow321

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When i hit “accept” to the new terms, I signed up for it... That’s my interpretation- nobody is twisting my arm forcing me to continue to drive for terms that I do not agree with.
I dont fault you for wanting to try/actually trying to do something - We shall see if it helps or not.
It’s my prediction though, that unless it’s the Pax that are paying more/getting screwed, the majority of people (the pax) wont care. Further, even if there IS a big noise made, Uber/Lyft wont care, because we can all be easily replaced with 1o other drivers that will faithfully drive for probably even less...All it takes is another couple of TV commercials.
Yeah shill, nobody is listening to you. Now go back into the gryft offices and give each other pink mustache rides or whatever it is you freaks do
 

IERide

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Yeah shill, nobody is listening to you. Now go back into the gryft offices and give each other pink mustache rides or whatever it is you freaks do
Typical knee-jerk, over-emotional, non-reality based response. This level of brain power is exactly why some people can only do Uber/Lyft driving..
 
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The Gift of Fish

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I worked in nonprofit PR for many years, so I know that many underfunded campaigns succeed because they are designed to attract OPM--Other People's Money. We need to raise public awareness of our impending doom by marshalling OPR--Other People's Resources--and giving them win-win opportunities to achieve their goals by getting involved in supporting our cause. For instance, Seattle Councilmember Sawant's relentless hunger for publicity can be harnessed to work for us, even if there's no chance the Council will act in our favor. She can make tens of thousands of pax aware of this issue through her usual grandstanding

To fight this new policy (--and Boober's Charlotte surge scam, which is looming in the wings awaiting eventual national expansion/adoption--), drivers' only hope of success lies in mobilizing outraged pax to complain to Gryft and take their business to Boober.

Rideshare customers like to believe that they are supporting their local drivers. Many pax have told me that they know drivers get 80% of the charged fare. If pax were to find out the truth about how little of what Gryft (and Boober) is charging them actually gets paid to us, they *will* be outraged.

Someone here commented--correctly--that drivers will lose in the court of public opinion if our complaints/protest appear self-serving and predatory (towards what pax pay). We cannot succeed if pax believe we simply want to continue making money off them.

Pax assume we get most of what they pay to Gryft. All we need to do is inform & educate them about how Gryft (and/or Boober) is paying us an even smaller percentage of what they charge the pax. Get pax outraged, and both Gryft and Boober will tread cautiously to avoid losing business (especially to each other).

This can be done through social media; outreach to local journalists & online media; public protests by drivers *and their families* threatened with financial ruin (ideally joined by sympathetic pax), covered by TV and bloggers; and simple information sheets available in our cars for pax to read and take with them. I plan to write such an information sheet and pass it out to my pax. I know which media outlets and reporters to target, too.

Anyone who would like to help with input for the fact sheet can do so (via PM) by supplying me with well-executed graphics that illustrate the loss of income from Gryft's deprecation (removal) of PT. (Also, for Boober's Charlotte surge scam.) If you're willing to explain the economic impact of these proposed policies in interviews with local (or national) media outlets, let me know.

Other ways to help:

Identify a lawyer willing to work with/for us on (preventing) arrests for blocking streets or venues.

Supply materials for protest/picket signs.

Supply loudspeakers.

Share contact info for influencers you know in government, the (news & entertainment) media, and nonprofits who would be likely to support us.

If you know someone who runs a printing or copy shop and is willing to let us create/copy public-education materials, let me know.
I don't know... I don't care what other people make. That includes those who serve me in restaurants, drivers, cops, CEOs etc etc. I don't care that the guy flipping burgers in McDonalds makes minimum wage or that Dara makes millions per year. Neither affects me in any way.

Take a look at Ben Shapiro's lectures. The guy has amazing insight and slices right through left wing gobbledegook.
 

Martin Kodiak

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No, it wasn't what we signed up for, and we have the screenshots of the previous income distribution arrangements to prove it.

While you are correct that we have no legal recourse under contract law, the court of public opinion is a vastly larger playing field--and one that is easily manipulated.
So can you explain what the " Charlotte Surge Scam " is? I'm in. I can be your front man even. Lets develop a presentation and recruit Brandie Kruse to help us broadcast our POV. Hit me up "G" I got some ideas. If you want to go live it will hurt some, but lets mosh some ideas and get a platform together.

One of my six ( soon to be seven) LLC is I do public speaking and presenting, as well as some other spoken arts endeavors.
 

Marco Solo

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Thanx, Mark. I'm going to hold off on disseminating our message until after I have a tightly edited & custom-crafted news release and information sheet. I may create a supporting Web site, too, so as to better impress the news/entertainment media when they receive our communication(s). Probably will create a Facebook page, too, so that our natural allies (organizations as yet unidentified), supportive pax & the sympathetic public have a venue for (further) information and engagement.

Anybody willing to volunteer their skills toward building & maintaining a Web site?
 

Martin Kodiak

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here is 2 contact willing to help and organize, contact them today. send them screenshot and stories


Kshama Sawant
[email protected]
http://www.seattle.gov/council/sawant
(206) 684-8016


Working Washington
Doris Garcia
206-817-8799
[email protected]
Also I do not think using Sawant as a primary message machine is the direction we should go here. While she wields a powerful voice, her extremist socialist ideals and message of hate are off-putting to many of the people we should want to influence.
 

Amsoil Uber Connect

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But...what if they say “..isnt that what you signed up for?”
I signed up for that $5000 a month guarantee , thinking I'd be lucky if it's $2500 net. And expected cost of living raises to keep up. Pffttt what was I thinking ? Um, still haven't hit that target.

...All it takes is another couple of TV commercials.

We shall see if it helps or not.
Which I just saw writting the above.

The thing is there has to be some stat. that shows how many drivers are not active or just quit compared to those who are still at it. And what is the life expectancy of the drivers. Most riders are surprised at my 3.5 years. I think they are catching on that long term drivers navigation skills trumps the newbies. If my ratings, being at an all time high is an indication.

Also you cannot be a fence walker, either you with him or against him. Both sides hate Fence walks. But the choice is yours. Meep Meep...

OP is right though. Change the court of public opinion is a win.
 
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mark_mark

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Also I do not think using Sawant as a primary message machine is the direction we should go here. While she wields a powerful voice, her extremist socialist ideals and message of hate are off-putting to many of the people we should want to influence.
She is the loud voice of Seattle, works for me!
 

Marco Solo

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I do not think using Sawant as a primary message machine is the direction we should go here. While she wields a powerful voice, her extremist socialist ideals and message of hate are off-putting to many of the people we should want to influence.
Concur. Sawant would be only one dissemination target among many. But KIRO's Dori Monson *loves* to rant about her, so if we were able to enlist her support--at the appropriate time (you only get one chance to make a good first impression) in the near future--his coverage of her would be an easy two-fer to get.
 

mark_mark

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Concur. Sawant would be only one dissemination target among many. But KIRO's Dori Monson *loves* to rant about her, so if we were able to enlist her support--at the appropriate time (you only get one chance to make a good first impression) in the near future--his coverage of her would be an easy two-fer to get.
Love KIRO News
 

Marco Solo

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FYI, Sirius Black reports in the UP Surge forum:

"For folks that think drivers are going along quietly with the surge redeux, Cincinnati drivers have a protest planned at the hub on Monday. It’s sounding like some local media is planning coverage."
 
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