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How Much Does an Uber Driver make in Melbourne (the Ultimate Guide)

Discussion in 'Melbourne' started by Bob28, Aug 21, 2016.

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  1. Less than $1.00 per Km

  2. $1.10 per km

  3. $1.20 per KM

  4. $1.30 per KM

  5. $1.40 per KM

  6. More than $1.50 per KM

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  1. Bob28

    Bob28 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Melbourne
    JUST ANSWER THE POLLING ???
    If u keep weekly records
    Gross fare is what passenger pays Uber divided by total km driven per week.
    = gross per km
    The best way to compare your performance with your fellow drivers
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    This week for me
    1109.93 / 860 km=$1.29 per km driven

    Started researching how much will be profitable driving Uber full time 40 peak hours per week .

    Research is based to comply with all ATO rules and regulation.
    RESEARCH BASED ON GROSS FARE HOUR RATE BEFORE UBER FEES
    $35.60* 1840 HOURS=$65504 GST inclusive
    $65504/ 52826 km DRIVEN=$1.24 GROSS PER KM

    As Uber driver u need to have ABN Number and be registered for GST.

    Pros
    Be u own boss choice of hours and days to work

    Cons
    Uber still illegal practice in Vic - fines ( Uber will pay??)
    Put up with public nonsense
    U have not control in terms of trade Uber any time can change their rules and tariffs
    Passenger always are protected by Uber as their clients
    You not covered for personal injury while u driving with passenger (no work cover)
    If u have road accident u must have insurance which accepts Uber (higher cost)
    Car repair assume covered by insurance if u at fault u need to pay excess and higher premium next year – also u have lost income for at least week for car repairs

    If passenger vomit or damage u car Uber will charge their card so u will be compensated for u repair or cleaning but not for u loss of income.
    You’re in constant danger and exposed mental and alcoholised or drug addicts passengers & road users


    Now Talking real numbers

    UberX Passenger fees
    Base Fare $2.00 + Per Minute $0.32 + Per KM $1.00 Minimum Fare $6.00Cancellation Fee $10.00

    After 25%Uber commission Driver net uber pay
    Base Fare $1.50 + Per Minute $0.24 + Per KM $0.75 Minimum Fare $4.50Cancellation Fee $7.50

    Diver gross pay After GST paid to ATO (pay/11= pay EX GST)

    Base Fare $1.32 + Per Minute $0.21 + Per KM $0.68 Minimum Fare $4.09 Cancellation Fee $6.82

    Uber driver will do on average: 2.1 per hour Trips 8Km + 16 min x 2 = 16km + 32 min + 2 base fare Surge is average component 13% from base fare minus 12 dead km & 28 dead min traveling and waiting for pax to finish their coffee drink make up AVG Speed is $28.7 km per hour driven

    Assumption driving $25.24 * 40 hours per week gross income before expenses = $1009.6

    Driving for 46 weeks per year ( 4 weeks holiday + 7 days public holidays) no sick leave no long service leave

    46 weeks X $1009.6 =Annual gross income $46,441.60

    Based on purchasing new car 2016 Suzuki Celerio $12990 drive away
    Fuel consumption Urban 4.8L/100km Warranty 5 Yr Regular service: 12 mth or 15000 km
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    5Y * 52826KM + 13206KM PRIVATE= $330160 driven after 5 years only good for scrap metal sale
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    PAY RATES %20 Uber Commission
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    DEPRECIATION LINK
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    DEPRECIATION CALCULATOR LINK

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    PEAK HOUR WORKED
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    Petrol based driving per hour 28.71km *40h *46 weeks =$4226.11
    Car service and Maintenance every 15000 km - 50000 km /15000= 3.5 X $230 per service = $805
    Tyres and pads disk after 70 000 km = $1200
    PROFIT LOSS DRIVER ON 20% uber commision

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    INCOME TAX CALCULATOR LINK

    Comparison with normal Min pay FULL TIME job
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    Driver NET profit + SUPER $32.547 vs $33469 MIN NET wage + SUPER
    Full time job income VS Uber Income
    Uber driver earning less than min wage per year
    Uber Driver will not receive long service leave Sick leave
    Uber driver working late nights and weekend public holidays for base rate
    Uber driver will not have work cover or personal cover insurance


    SCENARIO TWO


    PROFIT LOSS DRIVER ON 25% uber commision
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    Comparison with normal Min pay FULL TIME job
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    Driver NET profit + SUPER $29847 vs $33469 MIN NET wage + SUPER
    Full time job income VS Uber Income
    Uber driver earning less than min wage per year
    Uber Driver will not receive long service leave Sick leave
    Uber driver working late nights and weekend public holidays for base rate
    Uber driver will not have work cover or personal cover insurance
     
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2016
  2. Bob28

    Bob28 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Melbourne
    How much is profitable working for Uber as second job Part time on 25% UBER commision
    Your day job gross annual pay is $37000 Tax paid $3752
    You own Toyota Corolla Ascent Auto 2014 paid in full $20470
    Uber driving only 20 hour per week 46 weeks peak hours SAT and SUN assumption SURGE rate on AVR 1.4
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    Surge assumption 1.4 is overly optimistic for peak hours average
    If your day job is on higher then $57.709 your net pay will be lower due jumping in higher tax bracket 37%
    Working SAT & SUN weekends for $13.56 per hour less than min wage net pay
    Posting this so new sucker can make informed decision
    What will be better in their life circumstance staying home receiving family Tax benefit A and B never spend time with family
    Or work for $13.56 per hour and dont have any social life on weekends

    Scenario SURGE AVR 1.2 more realistic Uber commission %25

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    Posting this so new sucker can make informed decision
    What will be better in their life circumstance staying home receiving family Tax benefit A and B never spend time with family
    Or work for $10.08 per hour and dont have any social life on weekends




    How much is profitable working for Uber as second job Part time on 20% UBER commision

    Your day job gross annual pay is $37000 Tax paid $3752
    You own Toyota Corolla Ascent Auto 2014 paid in full $20470
    Uber driving only 20 hour per week 46 weeks peak hours SAT and SUN

    Assumption SURGE rate on Average is 1.4

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    Surge assumption 1.4 is overly optimistic for peak hours average

    If your day job is on higher then $57.709 your net pay will be lower due jumping in higher tax bracket 37%
    Working SAT & SUN weekends for $13.56 per hour less than min wage net pay
    Posting this so new sucker can make informed decision
    What will be better in their life circumstance staying home receiving family Tax benefit A and B never spend time with family
    Or work for $14.38 per hour and dont have any social life on weekends


    Scenario SURGE AVR 1.2 more realistic Uber commission 20%
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    Posting this so drivers can make informed decision
    What will be better in their life circumstance staying home receiving family Tax benefit A and B never spend time with family
    Or work for $11.36 per hour and dont have any social life on weekends



    How much is profitable working for Uber as second job Part time on 25% UBER commision
    Your day job gross annual pay is $37000 Tax paid $3752
    You own Toyota Corolla Ascent Auto 2014 paid in full $20470
    Uber driving only 20 hour per week 46 weeks peak hours SAT and SUN assumption SURGE rate on AVR 1.4
    Number facts [​IMG]


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    Surge assumption 1.4 is overly optimistic for peak hours average
    If your day job is on higher then $57.709 your net pay will be lower due jumping in higher tax bracket 37%
    Working SAT & SUN weekends for $12.89 per hour less than min wage net pay
    Posting this so new sucker can make informed decision
    What will be better in their life circumstance staying home receiving family Tax benefit A and B never spend time with family
    Or work for $12.89 per hour and dont have any social life on weekends



    Scenario SURGE AVR 1.2 more realistic UBer commission 25%
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    Posting this so drivers can make informed decision
    What will be better in their life circumstance staying home receiving family Tax benefit A and B never spend time with family

    Or work for $10.08 per hour and dont have any social life on weekends

    In my opinion only worthed
    if you use UBER to get to work and home but you need allow at least one hours before and after.
    If u can get fare just to cover half way of your distance from home to work and back you done well


     
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2016
  3. Bob28

    Bob28 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Melbourne


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    ATO office forcing Uber drivers to collect pay on full fare
    Instead to force Uber to pay GST on their part of received commision from drivers fares
    ATO RESPONSE lodged complaint with ATO complaints hotline
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    ATO has right to introduce ruling this not law going through parliament
    U can challenge ruling if you think in not complying with law or constitution
    With this instance ATO is singling one industry from another
    Example 1
    If u work as electrical contractor for business which not registered for GST and getting paid 80% commision from hour rate
    On your gross payment from the business u dont need to pay GST due GST not charged to end service user
    Example 2
    If u work as electrical contractor for business which registered for GST and getting paid 80% commision on hour rate
    On your gross payment from the business u need to pay GST on your %80 due GST charged to end service user
    Example 3
    Taxi paying GST on full fare due direct billing end client

    Uber claiming they platform connecting rider and drive
    In same time Uber claiming you are their contractor and paying driver %80 from fare
    Uber is the one providing the service not the driver
    Uber has control over transaction
    Uber dealing with client complaints
    Uber marketing their service

    GST consequences in providing ride-sourcing services
    If you provide ride-sourcing services, you are providing taxi travel services. This is because you make a car available for public hire and use it to transport passengers for a fare.(in this sentence is the problem )Uber platform is the provider of rideshare & driver is the contractor working for the platform.
    Under GST law, if you carry on an enterprise and provide taxi travel services in that enterprise, you are required to be registered for GST regardless of your turnover.
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    Uber will deactivate any driver account without any explanation
    Uber driver expected to provide high class service at bottom prices
    Offering water mintis to pax
    Waiting for pax without compensation up to 5 min
    Pax can cancel ride up to 5 min from request driver will not receive any reimbursement for his time and petrol
    Uber not educating riders on rating system in normal life 4* is very good
    Uber will deactivate driver with rating lower than 4.6*
    Providing business class service for low economy fares

    Uber needs to educate riders open drinks containers or alcohol and consuming food in vehicle is not permissible
    Uber needs to educate rider requesting pick up by Uber driver before and after traffic lights and pedestrian crossing bus stop clearway zone Taxi ranks

    UBER VS TAXI
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    Cheaper than Taxi between 20% up to 80% depending on traffic, time and day of the week


    ATO and AUS gov and regulators allowing Uber to use cham Cham contracting

    https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/Emp...ncorrectly-treating-employees-as-contractors/
     
  4. UXDriver

    UXDriver Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Australia
    Far too much to read

    You will clear around 30c per km after all expenses
     
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  5. Bob28

    Bob28 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Melbourne
    JUST ANSWER THE POLLING ???
    If u keep weekly records
    Gross fare is what passenger pays Uber divided by total km driven per week.
    = gross per hour
    is the best way to compare your performance with your fellow drivers
    Calculation are based on my gross average 1.24 per Km driven
    [​IMG]
    This week for me
    1109.93 / 860 km=$1.29 per km driven
     
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2016

  6. Ash-the-Uber

    Ash-the-Uber Member

    Location:
    Melbourne
    Driving:
    UberX

    Where are you taking KM driven from? Uber's numbers or your own?
     
  7. Bob28

    Bob28 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Melbourne
    I keep records from each day and write them down this way u can compare week to week performance
     
  8. UXDriver

    UXDriver Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Australia
    Lol lol
     

  9. Bob28

    Bob28 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Melbourne
    No those num they dont include your dead km
    Simple Pax fees before Uber commission divide on km driven per week
    Each day on start zero u km end record when u finish Fubering
    Gross fare is what passenger pays Uber divided by total km driven per week.
    = gross per hour
    is the best way to compare your performance with your fellow drivers
    Calculation are based on my gross average 1.24 per Km driven
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    This week for me
    ($1o34.28+$75.93) / 860 km=$1.29 per km driven
     
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2016
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  10. UXDriver

    UXDriver Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Australia
    Who cares about gross it's irrelevant

    Net after fuel, repairs, depreciation and GST is most important

    Then tax
     
  11. Shan511

    Shan511 Active Member

    Location:
    Melbourne
    JUST ANSWER THE POLLING ???
    If u keep weekly records
    Gross fare is what passenger pays Uber divided by total km driven per week.


    550Km Driven, $852.5 earned before cut so average $1.55/KM luckily last week i did surge trips only.
     

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  12. Graham J

    Graham J Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Melbourne
    Averaged over 5 months using your metric I do $0.85/km Gross
     
  13. Tom2828

    Tom2828 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Melbourne
    I'm doing around 1.2-1.3 after Uber cut (20%)
     
  14. Bob28

    Bob28 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Melbourne
    Are u sure Graham that is very low
    Not gross after uber fee
    Just gross fare +surge
     
  15. Bob28

    Bob28 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Melbourne
    What will be before uber cut
    Gross fare+surge
     
  16. Uberx zoom

    Uberx zoom Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Australia
    My result about $1.19 per km after uber cut (20%)
     
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  17. Bob28

    Bob28 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Melbourne
    Very good retun per km mate
     
  18. Graham J

    Graham J Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Melbourne
    Yes everyone I did a simple calculation of (fare + surge) / kms over 5 months. Like all statistics they are open to interpretation and $/km is not a great statistic. I live out of Melbourne and typically waste about 50 kms per shift travelling through the "wilderness" without a ride so it that tends to skew my numbers. However those wasted kms are all freeway driving where I'm getting excellent fuel consumption so the cost is not too crippling. I'm not saying they are good numbers but it doesn't always tell the true story. I developed a metric which I called the margin which compares gross to net income which I believe more accurately tells you how you're doing or $/trip is another good one
     
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  19. MotherTrucker

    MotherTrucker Active Member

    Location:
    Melbourne
    Gross is a good comparison point because it's a constant. One driver may have a newer car with better fuel and maintenance, but higher repayments, the next might have higher fuel use, but that's the car they own. YOu're right in that the. $$ you get to keep is the end game, but for various reasons we all take different ways. So gross helps because you can then filter that through your own running costs.
     
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  20. MotherTrucker

    MotherTrucker Active Member

    Location:
    Melbourne
    And a big thank you to Bob for sharing so much detail. It will take me a week to process all that. LOL
     
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