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Kevinuber

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I agree that “crony” capitalism is bad, where people like Elon Musk and companies like Solyndra get billions in tax money. That was Barack Obama’s kind of capitalism. He got millions from Wall Street, Hollywood moguls and auto unions. Why? He gave them loans, bailouts, subsidies and in the case of the UAW, a 25% share of GM.

Some of the socialist utopias you mention are reconsidering their dive into socialism. Most of them live and breathe under the protection of the United States. Their healthcare is not the greatest. Why not? Prices are fixed and there is no incentive to develop new drugs and protocols. That’s done in the United States and we pay for it. If there was no incentive to take chances and invest in possible new cures they won’t happen. You think the best doctors, who come out of medical school with 6-figure school debt want to work for peanuts? Oh, wait, you want to make college totally free. Who pays? Why, those evil rich people like Mark Zuckerburg, Jay-Z, Warren Buffett, Tom Steyer, Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi and Elizabeth Warren.

What we need to do is what Trump proposes — make drug companies share costs with these social medicine countries that aren’t paying their fair share.

Look, you’re free to not drive for Uber and Lyft. God knows they are squeezing drivers. But the free market will determine the fate of those companies. Like in socialism, at some point you run out of other peoples’ money. Investors will only subsidize these money pits for so long.

By the way, the top 5% pay over half the taxes in this country. If you confiscated all their wealth you couldn’t fund the Green New Deal for a year.
Thinking that companies getting tax breaks is something that originated with Obama or that that’s something that should be strongly associated with him is laughable. And in the case of Elon musk, he received all that government subsidy because he was innovating, something you oddly seem to consider your top priority. Like almost all republican criticism of Obama, your points are rooted in hypocrisy and revisionist history.

Secondly, he did not claim or describe a utopia. He described a place where all people have access to healthcare without any serious financial burden. Is it perfect? Obviously not, but it is unquestionably better than our system. To think that innovation would disappear is ridiculous and no one is calling for that funding to go away. The polio vaccine was given away for $1. They didn’t develop it in the hopes of some massive pay day and there’s no reason to believe that that is the motivation today. What good is any cure if those that need it can’t afford it? As to the question of who is going to pay for it, the mega rich and corporations are the ones that will pay for it as has been stated many times. The only reason they’ve accrued that money is by stealing it from the underpaid labor that has allowed them any success in the first place. It’s time to give it back to those that truly earned it. They will still be filthy rich by any standard. And lumping Warren, Pelosi, and Sanders with his 2.5 million net worth in with multi billionaire like zuckerberg and Steyer is truly asinine. Perhaps you don’t appreciate the VAST difference in those numbers. I suggest you get out a calculator.

Trump has had far more failure in business than success. Any analysis of his dealings makes that clear. He demonstrates his severe ignorance of how just about any system in this country works on a daily basis. Why anyone would want him making these decisions is beyond me. I don’t agree with any republican policies, but at least other republicans can demonstrate a knowledge of how things work. Trump is uniquely and profoundly stupid.

Yes, I’m well aware no one has to drive for Uber. Even if I didn’t, I would still support any driver attempts to increase pay because it is deserved. Just as I support any workers who are underpaid in any industry because it is the right thing to do. And no, the market will never improve these things because it is a fundamental tenet of capitalism to pay those at the bottom the absolute least amount as possible. When every company is operating on this basis, there is no “other job” they can go out and get. Unless told by the government that they are not allowed, whatever company that would replace Uber would continue to underpay drivers.

As for the 5% thing, the top 5% own way way more than half the wealth in this country, yet they pay only half the taxes. Unless you’ve become super wealthy and for some reason are still lurking the Uber forums, that means that you, along with the rest of us, are getting screwed. As for the comment on the green new deal, that is just simply false and I’d be curious to see the source that lead you to believe that. It also ignores the fact that the green new deal is a massive money and good job generator as it would position the US to lead the world in what will be the dominant market for the foreseeable future: clean energy. It would unleash American innovation on a massive scale. Something you claim to care so much about. Meanwhile, trump’s dumbass is yelling about coal, which not only kills the planet and the workers it employs, but the entire industry only employs a whopping 50,000 people nationally and will continue to shrink.
 

czervik7

Well-Known Member
Lol! Please answer the next 5 questions for me.

1) What should the minimum wage be set to?
2) Who should set it?
3) How did you come up with this number?
4) Why do independent contractors (i.e. businesses) get a minimum wage?
5) There are employee drivers. Why not drive for them if you want minimum wage?

You've obviously never owned a business if you think government should determine your profit/loss and how much you should pay someone. The market does that now. If it doesn’t pay, people stay on public welfare, including Medicaid. I could debate you all day but it would be like talking to Nicholas Maduro. I’m done with this thread.
 

Kevinuber

Member
Lol! Please answer the next 5 questions for me.

1) What should the minimum wage be set to?
2) Who should set it?
3) How did you come up with this number?
4) Why do independent contractors (i.e. businesses) get a minimum wage?
5) There are employee drivers. Why not drive for them if you want minimum wage?

You've obviously never owned a business if you think government should determine your profit/loss and how much you should pay someone. The market does that now. If it doesn’t pay, people stay on public welfare, including Medicaid. I could debate you all day but it would be like talking to Nicholas Maduro. I’m done with this thread.
You definitely googled “who is the president of Venezuela” about 30 seconds before posting your reply. Venezuela has nothing to do with anything I’ve discussed, it’s just more fear mongering. You obviously couldn’t debate me because you didn’t respond to a single point I made. I certainly never said that the government should determine any business’ profit or loss. However, like I said, any company will always pay there workers shit until it is deemed unacceptable to do so by the workforce. And since workers like yourself have been so effectively brainwashed against your own interests and trained to guard the wealthy ruling class’s money and power for them, it might take a long time for things to change. Many studies and strategies have been published and debated regarding your questions, I’d refer you to those. However, I’m not sure I get your goal in asking those questions. Are you saying that since the work of answering them is tough and open to different interpretation we should just...do nothing? That since it’s hard to fix we should just keep letting working people get shit on? It seems like that’s what you’re saying.
 

Uber1111uber

Well-Known Member
People still drive for uber in Cleveland? Theres no money to be made after the fixed surge. 🤔
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Lyft is gonna cut rates to about $.36 a mile here soon and pay to pick too tho, its about a 25% pay cut. How low will you go?
 

czervik7

Well-Known Member
People still drive for uber in Cleveland? Theres no money to be made after the fixed surge. 🤔
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Lyft is gonna cut rates to about $.36 a mile here soon and pay to pick too tho, its about a 25% pay cut. How low will you go?
Who are you and what are you here for? Other than that, have nice day 🙂
 
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