GrubHub Driver trespassed at NJ Chipotle for using their closed bathrooms

The Jax

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I was in Chipotle recently picking up in NJ on another delivery platform. GrubHub driver shows up to pick up. They have two chairs and police tape blocking the hallway to the bathrooms. As I stand there and wait in line to pickup, the Grubhub driver goes around it and they started freaking out. Yelling at the driver the bathrooms are closed to the public. He said he had to go and went in there anyway. They ran right to the phone and called the police. Lights and sirens they were there in 3 minutes. Yes, the line was long. The driver was already out of the bathroom and already standing in line. The police try to get him to come out of the line. He told them no I need to pick up an order. So the police talk to him and the manager and all the police could do was trespass him. So the manager told the cops she didn't want this driver to ever come back and the police issued him a trespass where he will be arrested if he returns. As the manager walked back to the kitchen from the lobby, she got booed by all the customers and one customer called her a piece of s***. It was great. They also booed the cops when they escorted him out after an employee gave him his delivery.
 

BigJohn

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Question, where this occurred, is there a public order by government officials to the effect that public bathrooms are to be closed?

The issue of whether or not such an order (if exists) should exist and if "public" restrooms should be allowed to be closed, but everyone has to take a step back and think about this a bit:

IF a restaurant were to leave their restroom open and available, would they then be liable to clean after each use? THAT opens up a big can of worms.

Our governments (local, county, state, federal) have really dropped the ball on a lot of this stuff. If they really cared about people, they would have made orders to include such things as "establishment must keep any existing publicly accessible restroom open and must post a sign on the the door easily seen and readable by anyone who will enter the following 'Under order this restroom remains open and available for public use HOWEVER while we will clean this restroom several times each day we are in no way responsible for its condition or cleanliness as that depends upon the cooperation of those who use it. By using this restroom, you agree to do your part in maintaining its cleanliness and availability for others.'
 

doyousensehumor

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Question, where this occurred, is there a public order by government officials to the effect that public bathrooms are to be closed?

The issue of whether or not such an order (if exists) should exist and if "public" restrooms should be allowed to be closed, but everyone has to take a step back and think about this a bit:
Forget about government needs to decide yes or no should bathrooms "allowed" be open or closed. The restaurant is private property.
Our governments (local, county, state, federal) have really dropped the ball on a lot of this stuff. If they really cared about people
Cared? 😆 We the people, can't agree on that direction to go in, other than get offended by the choices other people make.
Some set of rules that everyone agrees, therefore showing the government "cares", is a pipe dream.
So the manager told the cops she didn't want this driver to ever come back and the police issued him a trespass where he will be arrested if he returns.
Private property, they can do that.
As the manager walked back to the kitchen from the lobby, she got booed by all the customers and one customer called her a piece of s***. It was great.
Sure she seem like a @@@@@, but she is just doing her job, as ordered to, by Chipotle. Boo Chipotle.
They also booed the cops when they escorted him out
Cops just doing their job,. In fact, by enforcing property rights, despite the popular opinion of the other guests, they are the ones who brought resolution to the episode.
after an employee gave him his delivery.
They should have Not given him the delivery. Instead, reported with Grubhub--who ought to have deactivated him!
 

Judge and Jury

Active Member
Question, where this occurred, is there a public order by government officials to the effect that public bathrooms are to be closed?

The issue of whether or not such an order (if exists) should exist and if "public" restrooms should be allowed to be closed, but everyone has to take a step back and think about this a bit:

IF a restaurant were to leave their restroom open and available, would they then be liable to clean after each use? THAT opens up a big can of worms.

Our governments (local, county, state, federal) have really dropped the ball on a lot of this stuff. If they really cared about people, they would have made orders to include such things as "establishment must keep any existing publicly accessible restroom open and must post a sign on the the door easily seen and readable by anyone who will enter the following 'Under order this restroom remains open and available for public use HOWEVER while we will clean this restroom several times each day we are in no way responsible for its condition or cleanliness as that depends upon the cooperation of those who use it. By using this restroom, you agree to do your part in maintaining its cleanliness and availability for others.'
Yes. Taxpayer funded public bathrooms at parks, beaches, etc., have been closed by order of various government agencies. What private enterprises decide regarding their facilities is their prerogative. If you gotta take a dump, then log off and go home. Problem solved.
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@doyousensehumor
Private property up to a point. They Invite the public there for food service.
Private property up to a point? Where is the deciding line of private property rights? Back in the day, the government could assign you to provide housing and meals to soldier's occupying your neighborhood. Are you down with essential personnel barging into your residence to use the bathroom? Or will you deny access because it is your private property?
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I was in Chipotle recently picking up in NJ on another delivery platform. GrubHub driver shows up to pick up. They have two chairs and police tape blocking the hallway to the bathrooms. As I stand there and wait in line to pickup, the Grubhub driver goes around it and they started freaking out. Yelling at the driver the bathrooms are closed to the public. He said he had to go and went in there anyway. They ran right to the phone and called the police. Lights and sirens they were there in 3 minutes. Yes, the line was long. The driver was already out of the bathroom and already standing in line. The police try to get him to come out of the line. He told them no I need to pick up an order. So the police talk to him and the manager and all the police could do was trespass him. So the manager told the cops she didn't want this driver to ever come back and the police issued him a trespass where he will be arrested if he returns. As the manager walked back to the kitchen from the lobby, she got booed by all the customers and one customer called her a piece of s***. It was great. They also booed the cops when they escorted him out after an employee gave him his delivery.
If you gotta take a dump, log off and go home. Much ado about nothing.
 
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Judge and Jury

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The deciding line is they put up a sign INVITING the public into their STORE which needs permission from the dept of health to serve food.
Government could declare that all private property owners will provide bathroom facilities to essential personnel. What you gonna do when an ambulance and two fire trucks need to relieve themselves after a call to a house across the street?
 

Launchpad McQuack

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Private property up to a point? Where is the deciding line of private property rights?
When you voluntarily decide to make your private property accessible to the public as part of your business operations, you cede some of your private property rights to the government. You might not like it, but that's the way it is and has been for quite some time.

I do not have to provide wheelchair access to my private property as long as I am using it for my own personal use. As soon as I use my private property as a publicly accessible business, though, I am required by the ADA to provide wheelchair access.

I am not required to maintain adequate fire exits from my private property as long as I am using it for my own personal use. As soon as I use my private property as a publicly accessible business, though, there are regulations that dictate the minimum number of fire exits that the property must have and where they must be located.

I can decide that I don't like black people and not allow them on the premises of my private property as long as I am using it for my own personal use. As soon as I use my private property as a publicly accessible business, though, I am not allowed to deny entry to people based on certain protected classes (including race).

The list goes on and on and on. I don't know what the laws are concerning dine-in restaurants and restrooms, but it makes sense that, at the very least, they would be required to provide facilities where people can wash their hands for sanitary reasons. People that are eating should be able to wash their hands beforehand. Restaurants that are take out only often do not have publicly accessible restrooms, so it is safe to assume that they are not legally required. Since pretty much all restaurants are currently operating as take-out-only restaurants, then I assume that they are not required to provide restroom facilities to the public.
 

Judge and Jury

Active Member
You compared my residence to a Chipotle. How does that compare genius?
Chipotle most likely leases their properties and their rights are documented in legal agreements. Do you own or rent your residence?
Thanks for calling me a genius by the way. My spouse is always calling me a dumb ass.
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When you voluntarily decide to make your private property accessible to the public as part of your business operations, you cede some of your private property rights to the government. You might not like it, but that's the way it is and has been for quite some time.

I do not have to provide wheelchair access to my private property as long as I am using it for my own personal use. As soon as I use my private property as a publicly accessible business, though, I am required by the ADA to provide wheelchair access.

I am not required to maintain adequate fire exits from my private property as long as I am using it for my own personal use. As soon as I use my private property as a publicly accessible business, though, there are regulations that dictate the minimum number of fire exits that the property must have and where they must be located.

I can decide that I don't like black people and not allow them on the premises of my private property as long as I am using it for my own personal use. As soon as I use my private property as a publicly accessible business, though, I am not allowed to deny entry to people based on certain protected classes (including race).

The list goes on and on and on. I don't know what the laws are concerning dine-in restaurants and restrooms, but it makes sense that, at the very least, they would be required to provide facilities where people can wash their hands for sanitary reasons. People that are eating should be able to wash their hands beforehand. Restaurants that are take out only often do not have publicly accessible restrooms, so it is safe to assume that they are not legally required. Since pretty much all restaurants are currently operating as take-out-only restaurants, then I assume that they are not required to provide restroom facilities to the public.
I gotta admit, you are absolutely right.
 

Launchpad McQuack

Well-Known Member
On a somewhat related note, did anybody else get this e-mail a couple days ago?

GrubHub said:
A message from Noodles and Co

If there's something we've learned over the last few months, it's that just because people are craving Noodles, they need an easy way to get them. So there's no one we're more appreciative of than GrubHub delivery partners like you.

<snip>

As a way to say thanks, we want to make sure our home always feels like yours and that you have the things you need to stay safe, successful and happy. Here are a few ways we're helping out:

  • Please feel free to use our restroom anytime you're in our restaurant.
  • Blah, blah, blah, other stuff

I like how restroom access has essentially become an advertising point.
 
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