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GM Drops the Steering Wheel and Gives Robot Driver Control

Discussion in 'Autonomous' started by llort, Jan 12, 2018.

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  1. Yes, once these things are proven to be killers, no one will trust the and they will be outlawed.

  2. No, humans enjoy risks and group-think prevails over common sense.

  3. Driverless cars seem like a rapists dream come true, so count me out!

  4. They won't be outlawed, so public outrage will cause them to be constantly vandalized and abused.

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  1. llort

    llort Well-Known Member

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    Next year, General Motors Co. will no longer need an engineer in the front seat babysitting the robot brain that controls its self-driving Chevrolet Bolt. The steering wheel and pedals will be gone, giving total control to the machine.

    When GM starts testing its autonomous electric sedan in San Francisco ride-sharing fleets, it’ll likely be the first production-ready car on the roads without the tools to let a human assume control. The announcement Friday is the first sign from a major carmaker that engineers have enough confidence in self-driving cars to let them truly go it alone.

    “What’s really special about this is if you look back 20 years from now, it’s the first car without a steering wheel and pedals,” said Kyle Vogt, chief executive officer of Cruise Automation, the San Francisco-based unit developing the software for GM’s self-driving cars.

    GM shares rose as much as 1.1 percent at 9:36 a.m. in New York to $44.68, the highest intraday trading level since Nov. 29.

    Pedal-Free Rides
    GM will run the cars in a test batch for a ride-sharing program starting in 2019, and they won’t be without a safety net. The vehicles will travel on a fixed route controlled by their mapping system, and the Detroit-based automaker is applying for federal permission to run the test cars without a driver.

    Vogt said the self-driving Bolt has redundant systems built in to back up the driving systems. If there’s a problem, the car will slow down, pull over to the roadside and stop.

    GM’s experiment will be a significant step forward for self-driving cars. The automaker and companies including Alphabet Inc.’s Waymo unit and startup Zoox Inc. have demonstrated cars that can drive with so-called Level 4 autonomy. As defined by the Society of Automotive Engineers, cars at that level can drive without human intervention but only in certain geographic areas.

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  2. jocker12

    jocker12 Well-Known Member

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    https://twitter.com/andyjayhawk/status/951842538402598912?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https://jalopnik.com/ajax/inset/iframe?id=twitter-951842538402598912&autosize=1
    (this car has mirrors.... Why?)

    For as much hype as GM’s ‘production ready’ driverless, control-free car has gotten, both from GM themselves and the media, you’d think they’d have bothered to make something that looks like they, you know, thought about it for more than an afternoon. Sure, the tech is impressive, but the design is terrible, and hopefully will not be a sign of things to come for autonomous vehicles.


    First, try to be clear about what GM is actually showing here, because I don’t actually think it is all that clear. Fundamentally, it’s an autonomous Bolt, designed without any provision for human control, much like Google’s now-dead koala-like autonomous vehicle from 2014.


    According to communication we’ve had with GM, the car is not a concept, but rather a ‘production-intent’ vehicle. It’s the vehicle GM intends to build when/if NHTSA accepts the safety petition GM submitted.

    So, according to GM, the design we’re seeing here is what they’re planning to build in some sort of quantity—that number is unknown as well.

    So, this is sort of a test vehicle, except we’ve been told what we’re seeing is what they’ll make, so it’s really a pre-production vehicle, I suppose. It’s clearly not a concept, because concept cars have something this doesn’t: a concept.


    This is literally a Bolt with a bunch of sensors, electronics, and without the steering wheel and pedals. The interior design is only a half-step better than if they just took off the steering wheel and stuck a plastic blanking plate over the hole.


    My problem with GM’s design here is that it doesn’t seem like any effort was spent into designing an interior that makes sense for a car with no controls.

    And, I know the lack of controls are a Big Deal, because people keep telling me that.
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    Look, that one even has the little clappy hands and everything, so I better pay attention.


    Okay, so, if this is such a big deal, GM should have really re-worked the interior, because what they’re showing now is terrible. I understand that for cost and production reasons, they likely did not want to design a new interior, but that’s an excuse for why this interior sucks, not an argument against it.

    The dash design is one that hinges on bilateral symmetry, yet because it’s just a re-work of the normal, control-enabled Bolt dashboard, it’s annoyingly asymmetrical and off-center in all sorts of ways that are irritating.

    But that’s just annoying; the real problem is that by retaining a legacy design from a human-driven car, you’re both not taking full advantage of what an autonomous car can allow, and you’re setting up the passengers—especially the one in the left front seat—for an uncomfortable experience.

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    So much of how we perceive new technology has to do with gut-level feelings, memories, and learned behaviors. If you sit in the “driver’s” seat of this AV Bolt, all the visual, spatial, positional, and tactile cues are going to be triggering every “I’m driving” part of your brain.


    It feels like you’re sitting in a normal car, but all your means of control are gone. That’s not a comfortable place to start, even if you know, intellectually, that there’s a machine driving you around.

    Plus, there’s just no reason to keep these rigid interior design rules when you’re not required (or able) to drive! Why is everyone sitting in two forward-facing rows? There should at least be an option to swivel the front seats around, or allow the seats to all face inwardly. There should be fold-out tables, the means to recline seats for sleeping, and so on.

    None of this is new; the possibilities of self-driving-car-as-mobile room have been considered long before the technology was available. We’ve all seen these fanciful 1950s drawings, right?
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    This new GM car is essentially the realization of these dreams, yet these 50+ year-old imaginings make more sense than what GM is showing us today.


    We already ride in vehicles with rear and/or side-facing seats: buses, airport shuttles, old Land Rover rear seats, Tesla Model S jump seats, and so on. Making seating like that safe is something that’s already being done, and such flexible seating will absolutely be part of the autonomous future.

    I don’t think GM really needed to do all that much, really, but I do think they needed to do something, which, beyond lopping off the steering wheel, they didn’t.

    I don’t even care about the clunky exterior design, the total lack of interest in integrating the various cameras and sensors into some sort of coherent design, because, fundamentally, an autonomous vehicle is something you design from the inside out.

    Weird, sure, this Honda 1999 design makes more sense for a car you can’t drive
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    Now, this won’t be GMs only crack at an autonomous car design by a long shot. And I’m sure they have designers and researchers and stylists coming up with remarkable autonomous car designs that address everything I’ve mentioned.


    I’m also sure that GM decided to make minimal changes to the basic Bolt platform to get this to production as quickly and cheaply as possible. I understand the reasoning entirely.

    But that doesn’t mean this doesn’t feel like a half-assed effort, and it doesn’t mean that we can’t call it out as just that.

    If this really is the first production, Level 5 autonomous car that will be sold to...the public? Fleet companies? Who knows. Regardless, if this really will be that first car, it seems like it would be worth more effort regarding the key part that will ultimately decide the future of autonomous vehicles: the experience of the riders.


    People need to feel comfortable in autonomous vehicles, and they need it to be just different enough to alter their expectations that are based on decades of human-driven cars, and to give them some extra enticement to realize how much better an autonomous vehicle could be for them.

    A stripped down Bolt, I don’t think, is quite enough.

    https://jalopnik.com/gm-really-phoned-it-in-for-the-design-of-their-driverle-1822029166
     
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  3. 7Miles

    7Miles Well-Known Member

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    Completely autonomous electric car
    So far it’s just a model



    I said Chevy Bolt because it is based on Chevy Bolt.
    How long do we have left as drivers ?
     
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  4. Grahamcracker

    Grahamcracker Moderator Moderator

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    Driver's still have years but not forever. If I relied on this gig to pay bill, I would be looking for something else and just drive for extra $$$.

    What? Too many $$$. Ok maybe just $$ or $ or for some -$$$
     
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  5. heynow321

    heynow321 Well-Known Member

    We have a long long time
     

  6. RedANT

    RedANT Active Member

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    Self driving cars are nothing but a millennial wet dream that geeks insist is coming, but that won't ever actually take hold and gain widespread acceptance. They'll follow in the footsteps of tech hits like Jetson's style flying cars and Google Glass.

    Autonomous vehicles are incompatible with driver controlled vehicles, and you'll never get the majority of people to give up their cars.
     
  7. SEAL Team 5

    SEAL Team 5 Well-Known Member

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    Until everyone born before 1980 dies.
     
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  8. Blatherskite

    Blatherskite Well-Known Member

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    Yay, I'll be dead!:D
     
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  9. tomatopaste

    tomatopaste Well-Known Member

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    When all you have left to biotch about is the dash design, you've become a parody.

    The lunar lander was awful too, huh?

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  10. heynow321

    heynow321 Well-Known Member

    really grasping there greg...
     
  11. llort

    llort Well-Known Member

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    That front interior scares the hell out of me. Its the same feeling that I got when I was strapped into the zip line at the Rio, 500' up and nothing to hold on to. I think most riders would find this car to be terrifying to ride in. I'm feeling queasy after that 30 second video.
     
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  12. jeanocelot

    jeanocelot New Member

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    Love the way that Dad is always wearing a suit & tie.
     
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  13. Sydney Uber

    Sydney Uber Well-Known Member

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    The Lunar Lander’s form, followed its function. A Bauhaus principle that stands true today.

    The point jocker12jocker12 was making that your narrow intellect can’t grasp, is that cars carry out more roles than just getting to point B. The freedom from having vehicle controls should allow greater design freedoms to fulfil its many roles.

    I look forward to SD cars and the choices they will allow. I’d hate to live in a world built on such narrow views and understanding that you display.

    I thought it looked like a happy robotic dolphin!
     
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  14. jocker12

    jocker12 Well-Known Member

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    That is the consumers choice, but obviously the self "destructing" cars enthusiasts hope their narrow point of view is universal.
     
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  15. tohunt4me

    tohunt4me Well-Known Member

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    G.M. stock will become toilet paper AGain.

    If you hold the Certificates.

    No more TAX PAYER BAILOUTS !

    FREE RANGE CARNIVAL RIDES .

    After the Globalists finish off the working class . . .


    The REAL question is

    Will we get " TAIL FINS " back ?

    Even Capt. Kirk " DROVE" from the Captains Bridge.
     

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  16. Fuzzyelvis

    Fuzzyelvis Well-Known Member

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    Why have a directional car at all? By that, I mean, why not have it be able to go forward and backwards just the same? All wheel drive and wheels that all turn, rather than "front" and "rear"? Heck, why not allow any direction, not just forward and back?

    That would enhance maneuverability and make it symmetrical front and back, OR all around.

    Take a cue from Roomba, just without the bumping into chair legs.
     
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  17. jocker12

    jocker12 Well-Known Member

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    This is not their only product at this point. They try to play it smart and develop different projects (hybrid, full electric, self driving) in order to see which one gains momentum. They are like playing roulette and betting on every number, color, odds, evens... everything. If that goes into a "Russian" roulette and they end up with a bullet in the head, it will be very, very hard to recover. Again. To me, having GM involved in this, the way they rush into it with no vision and no sense, they probably will be the main reason consumers will hate the self driving cars idea.
     
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  18. tohunt4me

    tohunt4me Well-Known Member

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    Remember " SATURN"
    The NEW. Car company ?

    " EDSEL - the car of the Future "!

    Yup . . . the Chinese WILL buy Buick.
    They Love Buick.
     

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  19. jocker12

    jocker12 Well-Known Member

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    Yup. These guys are old fashioned car business people, frozen in their own limitations, suddenly pretending they are visionaries and big lovers of technology and progress. Phony idiots trying to dangerously dance on a thin and fragile wire, hyping the masses to trust what they are saying. There is a circus in town....
     
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  20. Sydney Uber

    Sydney Uber Well-Known Member

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    All excellent ideas. But Roomba Rideshare has already been done



     
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