Earning in Niagra

atomck

Member
Hi Vavvav,
Because I only work the early shift I didn't get anything from Comic Con. Yesterday I had constant pings taking people to Ryan and Kelly. I don't watch TV so I didn't know who these people were. It started before 5 and was pretty steady. I wanted to do a minimum of $70 so I got there by 9 and called it quits for the day. Last week was ok by what I want to do. About 20% comes from people that want me at their door every day at a specific time. The best part of this for me is I can fill part of the day that I wouldn't have anything else to do. So I click on in my home parking lot when I start at about 4:45 and I finish around 10 to 10:30. I figured my average weekly and it is about $582. If I am a bit low I will put in more hours but most of the time I get my $600 with my 25 hours. I took today off, and let my regulars know yesterday I would not be driving today. Usually I take Sat and Sun off. Below is last weeks money. I am pretty sure that summer will make mid day a lot busier.
  • 32
    COMPLETED TRIPS
  • 26h 16m
    ONLINE HOURS
  • 87%
    ACCEPTANCE RATE
  • 2
    DRIVER CANCELLATIONS
  • Trip Earnings CA$611.69

  • That works out to be an average of $19 a trip to me. And if you don't believe me I can show you on UBER if we meet up.
I haven't tried to do long trips. I take Toronto or Hamilton trips by chance, but I don't expect them in any sequence. If I take off for Toronto at 6:AM them my local booked regulars go with someone else. Last Thursday I had 3 Chinese fellows wanting to go to Eaton Centre at 10:30 AM and I had to say no. I had been on from before 5 so I had enough. I have lots of $25 rides to keep me happy.
I do get the offer of cash rides, but I know if they were dispatched by UBER they are going to know I am accepting cash for ride they should be getting paid for. If I have to cheat then I should be a jerk and start doing $6 rides for Speedy Cab.
I actually would like to sit down and have a coffee with anyone driving for UBER. To me it is pretty obvious that UBER does not want drivers associating, as that leads to a better understanding of what UBER is all about. I am not married to UBER so if they don't care for the way I work, or who I associate with then they can do what they like. I think I am safe because I take care of their customers and pull some pretty good ratings.
Until 10:30 in the morning I sit in a white Dodge Caravan at the Harvey's on Lundy's Lane when my pinger is dead, so if you want to make arrangements to have a coffee, and you see me there, pull in and say Hi. Competition is good, and I am pretty sure if done correctly we can come up with ways to make more money for all of us, while keeping UBER happy.
 

Vavvav

Active Member
Thank you for posting. I wish there were more posters. $25 a ride is impressive, any long rides there? Niagara Falls to St. Catharines is about $20 to $25, and Niagara Falls to NOTL is about $25 to $30. I am baffled how you can average $25 per ride when there are so many $3 rides in Niagara Falls.

All the Ryan and Kelly rides would have been short. Something doesn't add up. I believe you and trust your numbers but you had to have a few longer runs to average $25 per trip. Sometimes I am at $15 per ride but usually it's around $10. Too many Casino to Hotel runs for $4. I find it's a grind anyway you slice it. There are so many of us on the road. I wish I could clear $1000 in a week but haven't come close yet. I have tried giving out my number but I find that just attracts sleeze.
 

atomck

Member
Yesterday I did nothing, was a day off. Today by 8:30 I had about $70 from two shorts and my regulars. Then it stopped. At 9:45 when I was going to finish for the day because I figured I was going nowhere, I got a Hilton ride headed to Buffalo Airport. I have a deal with a Fort Erie taxi for a pick-up point there when I call, where the client books off me, move the luggage and the taxi takes them to the airport. I get $15 from the taxi and I'm happy. $26 from UBER to the switch point, $15 from my taxi guy and I go home with $101 and it isn't $10:45 yet. I'm done and home in Port Colborne by 11:25. It worked out to be five of my six regulars in NF and two of three new ones in St. Cath. That is not a wonderful day, but for just over five and a half hours it's OK.
Tomorrow I have arranged for two bad girls from a motel on the Lane to head for Scarborough. When we get to Scarborough, I wait for about 30 minutes while one of them gets cleaned up and packs a bag to go to Cuba with a new guy and I give her a ride back to the Falls for free. I have done this with one of them before and she gave me a $50 tip for the free ride back. My UBER piece is $153 plus the $50 tip I do expect. I am picking them up at 12:30 and I will be back in Niagara by 5:30 to if there is heavy traffic. I will be done for the day. $200 from the girls, and my regular morning money which on Thursdays is about $100, and I am done. Long day, but $3oo makes it worth it.
Quite a bit of my work comes from having people allowing me to have pre-arranged pick-ups with me being at their driveway or parking lot when they need me, by pre arranged ride. Always UBER. That's where these bad girls come from. I told them to think of me as their executive chauffeur. They laughed, but then who is taking them to Scarborough tomorrow?
I don't average $25 a ride. I averaged $19 a trip on the sheet I showed you. A couple of times I broke $20 average but $17.75 to $19.50 just about does it. I can carry six passengers and their luggage too. I get trips to TO for six people, and I get trips to Hamilton for 6 people. I don't ask how I get them, but I do. I could say luck of the draw, but what ever I say I am getting rides where they need 6 seats and tons of bags carried. With me I accommodate 7 so it works just fine. I like doing this, but I get frustrated when people can't figure out that probably 30% of my income comes from passing out cards and hustling customers to let me be their UBER driver. Anybody can do it, and it certainly works for me.
 

Vavvav

Active Member
Anyone know if the summer is any better in Niagara? Don't see that much surge. Anyone making or expecting to make $1000 per week this summer when the tourists are in town?

Atomck, going to Burlington or Hamilton this weekend? There is a Sound of Music Festival going on! Don't know if that's good or not.
 

ray55

New Member
Still 5 drivers online at 5am? The thing with driving to St. Catharines is it may be a short ride. Is it really worth it? Driving 20 minutes to take someone 3 min utes is a losing wager. Do you stay in St. Catharines?

I have turned down multiple Niagara Falls, New York trips. Not worth the risk that could happen at Customs.
I used to take pax regularly to the Buffalo airport until custom guard told me I'm not insured in the states and would be turned back the next time. I checked with Uber and they thought it best to stay in Canada. (What ever that means)
Now it's a trip to the Rainbow Bridge. I say it's a short walk, enjoy the view.

Anyone know if the summer is any better in Niagara? Don't see that much surge. Anyone making or expecting to make $1000 per week this summer when the tourists are in town?

Atomck, going to Burlington or Hamilton this weekend? There is a Sound of Music Festival going on! Don't know if that's good or not.
It's busy but there's a lot of traffic and most of the trips are short.
 

atomck

Member
I am not much of a concert or event guy. The problem I have is I have consistent riders that are prearranged for work transport. I don't let them down, so I have to be able to get up early to get them to work starting at 5:15 in the morning. I can't be up late and be able to get up and get in from Port Colborne that early. I am up before 4:AM every morning. There are some beautiful sunrises every morning.
Someone said it must be expensive to drive from Port to Niagara every day. It works out to be about $10.50 total each day for fuel. Not much and I can live in Port Colborne a lot less expensively than Niagara Falls.
 

Niagara Driver

New Member
I took someone to the States today. Got paid $65 US cash under the table. Not sure if I would do it again. It's very risky. Trying to explain to Customs how you know the people is awkward. I turned down a TO Airport run yesterday due to lack of time. To make real money doing this you have to be willing to drop everything and just take off. That being said I find my earnings have actuated between $500 and $700 weekly working 40 to 50 hours. Take off 20 percent for gas and now that's $400 for 40 hours. If you favor in all the other costs iteaves your head scratching. Any tricks to increase the income? Other then driving for $5 a shot in the tourist hub?

Anyone spend a whole day in the Tourist Hub? What can you actually make in a day?
 

atomck

Member
It is getting skinnier and skinnier. I used to be able to net $10-$15/hr on UBER dollars after all expenses including vehicle depreciation. Over the last 4 months that has changed, and now is closer to $7.50 net. Fortunately my Yell-Niagara takes care of me well, but UBER is cutting their own throats. I had someone say to me I was was the first driver in there lat 8 rides who could speak English. I have been to 3 green light meetings in 3 weeks to try and update my status and I have seen drivers signed that don't even know how to make a call on their phones. The riders are leaving UBER because of the quality of the drivers. UBER is driving the customers away, and they are moving over to Speedy. There is cash money in being a Speedy driver if you want to take the chance. Pays more than UBER. But Bubba your ex UBER cellmate had better not find you attractive.
Uber is messed up, and their way is to just put on more drivers.
Tom
 

atomck

Member
Only if I measure it the UBER way. I have had 3 $1,000 days driving for another company in 2018. That company is Yell-Niagara. Yes one was Ottawa and two were Montreal. Fortunately as Uber requires more work for my buck, Y-N is getting longer rides at a pace far faster than Uber. Uber fills the empty time. $750 weeks for less than 26 hours are much less frequent with Uber now. Still happy to do Uber drive. Last week I had one year of being an Uber guy. 2,000 rides in one year. If your average ride is X, then I made 2,000 times X. Figure the math out yourself.
 

Vavvav

Active Member
That's $20000 bucks, average ride 10 bucks. If the average ride is $12.50 then I will give you $25000. That's about 160 to 170 rides per month, 40 a week. That's $400 to $500 a week gross, $25000 a year. Take off Uber's cut, tax, depreciation and gas and the per hour net is under $10 an hour. I am glad you are honest. Are you a member of the Uber Niagara Facebook Page? Moat Niagara drivers there claim to be making to be makong $25 per hour. If you are working 25 hours a week, that's 12000 hours a year or about $20 per hour.

What do you figure your per hour net is on Uber? If you gross $500 on 25 hours per week Uber for example what is your net.
 

atomck

Member
My accountant and I at my expense have sat down twice in the last year and taken dead nut expenses down to an exact number, by the kilo, by the day and a total. The last time we did the calc was on Dec 10/17.
$.27 per km gross income
$.11 expense per km before depreciation
The car did 92,000 in the last 12 months. It's a Dodge Grand Caravan. Expected usable life 400,000 KM's. Cost $26,000 tax in. To replace it in 4 years, if it is worth $2500 to trade requires I bank $.065 cents out of every $.11 cents I make. That leaves me with $.45 cents for myself per km. Or to put it in an exact number I am making $3.18 an hour Ubering. This company does make the majority of its money on the depreciation of the vehicles used by the drivers. I don't drive a cheap car and it does not get wonderful fuel economy. Lets say I replaced it with a car costing half as much, getting twice the fuel economy. Wow I'd be up in the $6+ an hour income level. I don't do Facebook so I can't take this over to their page. I give anyone who wants to, take this and post it there. If anyone wants to argue with my conclusion go for it. I have hard numbers.
 

atomck

Member
I am generating leads with UBER. I did 2100 trips in my car in the last year. Those are leads for my company. Its like getting paid to advertise.
 

Vavvav

Active Member
You make more driving your own car? Are you still Ubering 25 hours per week and what is your gross now? I figure 20 percent depreciation, 13 percent for HST, 20 percent for gas, etc. Take the gross and cut it in half for actual net. Then yku have Fed taxes.
 

atomck

Member
Even at $3 bucks an hour, I am aware of only one complaint about me. It was from a woman who wanted to generally talk about life. I like to talk, and we got into what our spouses are like. When she got to hearing my girlfriend who lives with me, and is 24 she became absolutely disgusted. She called me a child molester. I'm 72, and I am having the time of my life. And I met my girl in my car on an UBER trip. I am to old to be called a sugar daddy, so I am a sugar grandpa :smiles:

Happy Grandpa

Calculating my income portion which has constantly gone down in the 2100 UBER trips I have completed, I would be very lucky to be able to say I retain 33% before income tax. It truly is less.. None of my costs are estimates, they are hard numbers including depreciation on my car. A major portion of the profit my company makes is from exclusive non UBER transportation that I provide, not through UBER and not brought to me by UBER. My own firm, not affiliated with UBER. Two other cars that are not carrying nor are registered with UBER. That generates a substantial amount of income.. They roll at 5 times what UBER pays. I'm not stealing from UBER because they don't carry passengers able to afford my service, and UBER does not offer what I offer.
 

atomck

Member
I had said I would be very lucky to be able to say I retain 33% before income tax. It truly is less.. MUCH LESS. Like I said. I use UBER for leads. This morning a couple I took to the Casino said "it's a shame Uber won't go to Montreal". No but I do. His wife won't fly and they came on the train. They were renting a car and driving back tomorrow. Now they are not, they are riding with me. My fee is substantial and they are putting me up in a Motel 6 tomorrow night in Montreal and I'll drive home leaving early on Tuesday morning and be home by noon easily. The fee, $850 plus $100 expenses, for the hotel and food. Works out to be just over $60 an hour for driving time. This is Montreal trip 3 in 18, and we now have 6 trips to Ottawa in 18 at $550 ea. UBER is a fantastic lead generator. I'm paid crap crap from UBER, but in the end the leads assist me with a substantial income.
 

Vavvav

Active Member
I'm new at this, retired successful businessman and enjoying the job. I have only been at this 6 weeks. I have had a few good weeks (over $600 gross) for the 25 hours I drove. My goal is to regularly gross $500 every week. There are guys out there in Niagara that claim to pull over $1,000 weekly. All you have to do is take the number of kilometers it takes at a per km rate to figure out that you'd have to drive half way to the moon at 600 miles an hour to do that consistently. Just do the math, the per km pay, and the average speed hours divided by miles and you come up with an unattainable figure to make a real paycheck. Pull out fuel, insurance costs and depreciation and this better not be your only income. Remember something else. Every driver you bring in for your $200, likely will take that away from you over 1 month of competing against you. Seems somehow there are more drivers than riders. There are other ways to use UBER to be a real benefit financially. Think about that and you might find there is a good living to be made.
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I had said I would be very lucky to be able to say I retain 33% before income tax. It truly is less.. MUCH LESS. Like I said. I use UBER for leads. This morning a couple I took to the Casino said "it's a shame Uber won't go to Montreal". No but I do. His wife won't fly and they came on the train. They were renting a car and driving back tomorrow. Now they are not, they are riding with me. My fee is substantial and they are putting me up in a Motel 6 tomorrow night in Montreal and I'll drive home leaving early on Tuesday morning and be home by noon easily. The fee, $850 plus $100 expenses, for the hotel and food. Works out to be just over $60 an hour for driving time. This is Montreal trip 3 in 18, and we now have 6 trips to Ottawa in 18 at $550 ea. UBER is a fantastic lead generator. I'm paid crap crap from UBER, but in the end the leads assist me with a substantial income.
Atomck, you still drive and make $500 in 25 hours a week?
 
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