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Earning in Niagra

atomck

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Anyone who sits and waits to make a living -won't-. I go after my work. I have given out probably 100 cards and asked the people to call me if they like my service. I have never stolen a ride from UBER and won't. Someone calls me and I get as close to their address as I can. If I don't get the ping, that is the luck of the draw. But I never sit and @@@@@ about what doesn't come my way. I make it come my way. At 6:30 this evening I got a call from someone who has to go to the doctors in Welland for a 30 minute appointment for 8:30 tomorrow. Asked if I could wait and drive her back. YES ! I got her address and will be at the end of her driveway at 8:15, and when she calls for her ride, I'm pinged. I also have a 2:pM tomorrow to drop off a lady in Hamilton. I don't like afternoons, but she wants me to wait for an hour , and bring her back to the Falls. That'll be $100 to me. I'll bend my afternoon rule. Below I put two statements. I exaggerated the hours. I said 25 and it was about 27.5 average. If I wanted to really pound on this, there is likely some real money. I don't look at this as a job, it's something I enjoy to pass the time. I'm 71 and like what I do. Not a whole lot of older guys can say that.

I usually get a Toronto ride early on a Saturday or Sunday morning before 6. I get at least 3 St. Catharines every week day. Not to take people there, but to get over there because there are no early St Kitts drivers, who are home in bed. Usual weekend Toronto riders are bad girls who've come to Niagara to ply their trade. I know where they work, and I am sitting just outside the motels waiting at 5:30. I had one Saturday where I did 2 Toronto trips and was back by 1:pM. So yes I do long trips.

My best week was $690, and I have never done more than 29 hours. Everyday I get another regular. I write down where I picked up a rider. I ask if they are on their way to work, make a note. I find out what they do and are they shift workers. Every morning I have people who ride with me Tuesday through Friday. Some days Uber sticks it to me and sends someone from a mile or two away when I am already at the pick-up point, but that's the way it goes. If I @@@@@ it'll cost me, so I just keep it working my way. I work hard, I don't just wait for calls. It's a matter of trying. If I wanted 40 hours of income I could make it happen, but I don't want to work that hard.
 

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Vavvav

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Good for you! Sounds like you are running a speedy cab business!

My best week is $855 working 55 hours. Generally I am 40 hours to make $400. Sounds like you have figured out the spots to be but you also are probably the only guy on the road at 5:30am. My issue with repeat business is that I find the trips to work are $5 and that takes a lot of trips to pay off.

The biggest reason for your better per hour is the phone number you are handing out. Then you can pinpoint. Do you make the customer pay $ or put the app on?
 
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Vavvav

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I am fairly new driver 2 months new and I love uber!
I make 4-6k a month driving in Niagara falls only

Reading here it seems everyone hates uber but i just want to share that i love it. Some guy just posted this on the Toronto Board. Do you believe him?

I just did a Welland to Oakville trip, got stuck on return, two hours from Oakville to Niagara Falls.
 

atomck

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I Speedy cab nothing. I have never done a ride without it being UBER. Anyone that would jeopardize their passenger, their drivers license and their ability to have a $6 chance at risking it all is a fool. You questioned my ability to make an easy $100 a day. Well here is today at 10:30. I started about 455:AM I let $65 go because I turned down a ride to the Trump-land airport at 9:AM. With my afternoon ride to Hamilton I did about $185 today. I would have been happy to make $100 by noon, but I had nothing to do this afternoon. You might not do what I do, but be damn sure you don't call me speedy.
 

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atomck

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I am a good businessman and not one penny escapes me. I try and keep my gas at about $32 a day for around the area trips,obviously more for out of town being more than 60 KM.. I cost out every ride I do, including insurance and depreciation. I am making around $12 an hour net. My fuel back and forth to Niagara from home is about $9.50 total, it's costed in also. If I make $250 to $300 net every week I'm happy. I just wish I had of considered UBER 3 years ago. That is when I decided to retire from working full days. My cars are paid for and depreciation writes them off over their usable lifetime (300K), so I pay little tax, and get damn fine pocket money. If someone wants to make UBER a career, they won't have much of a lifestyle.

I don't live from UBER I still have pensions, investments and my main business, with it being run by employees. UBER is just my way of doing something and putting extra spending money in my pocket. It's fun talking with people and I am establishing a very good group of regular customers. I want to get to work at 5 every morning :smiles: and that is a great way for a guy to feel at 71.
 

Vavvav

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This includes a trip to Oakville. I think k there were less drivers today and the demand was up being a long Easter weekend. On Wednesday, I made scratch in 5 hours so it balances out.

All I am saying is that it tends to be $10 an hour for me after gas, not factoring in depreciation and repairs. Scratching out $4 rides near the casino gets old fast.

I don't hand out numbers, as long as you are driving through the App I am good with it.

You are right, speedy is not worth it.
 

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atomck

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You know its funny how UBER drivers are quick to discredit other drivers when the other driver makes more money. I said Niagara was great for me, and even though it looks like 5 extra riders moved in on early hours after I said how good it was, I still ended up with $552 for the week and a shade less than 25 hours. Good thing I didn't jump off a cliff. They would be reporting tons of lemming deaths in the local rag.
For me staying on top of things and making sure nothing slips by is profitable. It just all comes down to work.
 

Vavvav

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I made $537 this week working 30 hours, with 5 hours on Wednesday going without a ping. I work nights and afternoons. Won't see me getting up at 5am. No one reads these forums, surprised others are trying the 5am thing.


That being said I had two $100 trips so really it was $330 over 25 hours.

Last night Saturday was the slowest Saturday I have very seen. Brock is done for the semester and Niagara Falls was dead!

Summer prospects don't look good.
 

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atomck

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Hi Vavvav<
I wish I didn't wake up at 3:30 every morning but they say old people don't need much sleep and I might as well being making a buck. Truly two riders said to me that they saw five drivers online for the first time ever at 6:30 to 7:AM. Go figure.

My insurance Intact agent told me I am not covered to drive across the border with paying commercial passengers, Canadian UBER drivers are not allowed into the US unless they can show valid commercial insurance. I have a copy of my policy and driving in foreign country is not mentioned. So it really has taken me this long to reach a human at Intact insurance commercial underwriting office. Today I spoke at length with them, and they are checking into what the actual coverage is, but he could not verify we have any insurance when we cross the border. They are getting back to my agent with more information, and the agent did tell me that he cannot see any USA coverage on his copy of the master UBER/Intact insurance agreement. Do you have any information on us being legally allowed into the USA with coverage? Uber tells me to not worry about it. OH YEH !
 

Vavvav

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Still 5 drivers online at 5am? The thing with driving to St. Catharines is it may be a short ride. Is it really worth it? Driving 20 minutes to take someone 3 min utes is a losing wager. Do you stay in St. Catharines?

I have turned down multiple Niagara Falls, New York trips. Not worth the risk that could happen at Customs.
 

atomck

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I have to say that as I leave my home in Port Colborne, at 4:45AM which is the end of the earth to UBER, it is seldom I don't get a St. Catharines ping before I get out of the city limits. I have taken to heading for St. Catharines automatically and turning off to Niagara at Lundy's Lane if no ping. I would say my first ride is SC probably 3 days out of 5. This morning a couple of kids doing an overnight cram session at Brock headed home $10., then another get to work short trip $7, and then a woman wanting to go to Burlington, which was a buck or two. I didn't get back to the falls until 7:30 to do a few of my regulars. Either because there are more drivers in Niagara Falls in the morning or because there is no business, it is dying after 9:30. Thanks to my Burlington ride, by 10 I had made my $100 which is my minimum target, and I headed home.
Tomorrow I am going to stay in St. Catharines and see how I do.
Smart to stay away from the US. Those with taxi licenses are fine, but now they are laying in wait for UBER drivers.
 

atomck

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I'm of the feeling that greed has been winning out. $4 or $124 if the ping goes I grab the ride. I don't turn anything down. An example:
A week ago at 5:AM I get sent to a $5 ride in St. Cath. I come back over the Skyway and get pinged to near the Fairview mall. I turn around and take it. Two Chinese girls to a Chinese school on the far end of Beamsville. I drop them and 30 seconds later a Hamilton pickup to Oakville. On the way back at the 7th St turnoff, I get a Jordan ride to Niagara Falls. About $115 in rides and I am back by 8. Other days I get $4 ride that cancels. I'm greedy and I take everything. When it all washes out, with proper accounting which includes vehicle depreciation, I earn $11 an hour and I likely don't make enough to pay much tax on that, with all my deductions. I have other income otherwise I would not do this. I enjoy it. I work 25 hours and it gives me $250 a week in spending money after everything is costed out and money is banked to pay for all expenses. I don't have to buy groceries with it. So for me its a plus, but if I was trying to support a family it would not work.
My background is in money management, and I was successful at that. I know what I'm doing and I would never tell anyone to be an UBER driver in our area if they need to make a living. Guys are complaining that they can't make a decent living doing this, who said you could? Wishful thinking can't be spent at Food Basics. If anyone says they make a good living at this, they are by far the exception, because $200 on a Friday and Saturday night and $300 through the week does not make any kind of a good living at all after actual expenses.
 

Vavvav

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What would you gross per week? If you are averaging $100 per day? I am grossing $400 to $500 per week before expenses but I need to put in some serious time. Often 40 hours because I place the app on and often sit. Plus Iive near the bus station in the Falls and still wait.

My problem with driving to get rides is sometimes I go 20KM to drive 5KM and I don't see that as profitable.

I am looking for a Summer Job because I don't think Niagara will be that profitable in the summer.

I think the market is saturated with drivers now.

Thanks for sharing.

What do you use as costs besides gas? How much do you depreciate your vehicle per km? How many km.ler tank of gas? Do you consider insurance a cost?
 

atomck

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Vavvav,
I don't want to say a lot here. Send me an email from your email to
[email protected] or text me at 905 380-5527. We can talk and I'll let you know what I am doing

I don't mind showing what I do to any or all of you. But if I am going to share what I have done I would like to make up one presentation for everyone to use, and not have to do it separately for individuals that might need some help.
There is a formula for vehicle depreciation, and some other simple ways to establish true costs.
 

atomck

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Vavvav
I cost everything. If it is an expense it is included. What I don't spend in my list is banked for when it is needed. Major repairs, car replacement.

Heavy Maintenance, on a 300,000 kilometer life, with a 2015 Dodge Grand Caravan being worth $2500 at end of UBER Lifecycle.
Tires
Car Cleaning and Detailing
Light Maintenance and Misc Repairs, Fluid top ups
Insurance
Fuel
Vehicle Depreciation. I depreciate it almost 100% in 300,000 km. Nobody would want to ride in it if it were able to be used further.
 
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atomck

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Every Car Is Different
2015 Dodge Grand Caravan Doing 60,000 km’s a year

I am getting 26 MPG / 11 Ltr/Per 100 km
60,000 km’s year, using 6600 Litres of fuel @ $1.10 per ltr = $7260.
per KM Cost is approx $.12 per KM

Brake Replacement Every 80,000km at $350. One year cost $265. is .0044cents per km for brakes

Brake Service Every Year at $150. One year cost is .0025 cents per km for brake service

Cooling System Flush, every 24 months $175. One year cost $87.50 .00145 cents per km for cooling sys

Brake System Flush every 24 months $140 One year cost $70. .0011 cents per km for brake sys flush

Tires Every 70,000 km $550 One year cost $472. .008 cents per km for tires

Car Cleaning and Detail $500. One year cost .008 cents per km for car cleaning and detail

Maintenance, Misc. Repairs, timing belts, belts, hoses, filters, Fluid top ups. One year cost $800
.014 cents per km for Misc

Insurance One year cost. $1080. .018 cents per km for insurance.

Total Gross Expense $10684.5 divided by 60,000 km = $0.17 cents per Kilometer

DEPRECIATION

Used $20,000 car with $300,000 KM on it in five years would be worth $2500
So write down depreciation of $17,500 over 300,000 km’s would be approximately $.09 cents per KM

Depreciation $.09 per KM
Cost To Operate = $0.17 per KM

equate to $.26 cents twenty six cents for each km traveled.

Costs of operating based on true expenses. If you don’t service the car properly repairs cost more than servicing. Do lots of the work yourself, save a substantial amount of money. You may even get up to the poverty level being your own mechanic.

My math is averaged, and I don’t doubt that someone might find an error. If someone does it might make a very small difference, but the end numbers have been checked and are in the ballpark.
I don’t use my car for personal transportation and I am on track to do 60,000 business km’s this year. I do move around a lot from good location to good location every day. Running my car will cost me $15,600. I am on track to make $28,600 less $15,600 in expenses and depreciation. Gross income with signing in a few new drivers will be $13,000. I work on average 25 hours a week, which equals $10. an hour. Definitely less than minimum wage, but it does cover my expenses and I do bank all of my operating costs for when they have to be spent. I also bank all depreciation which will buy me a new or good used vehicle at the end of 300,000 km’s. Will I quit being an UBER driver because I made a fortune? Not bloody likely. Could anyone make a real living being an UBER driver in Niagara Falls? In Your Dreams !

If anyone doubts the figures I provided that's fine. There is no myth to what it truly costs to run a car. you can pay your money into maintenance and have a car where there are more affordable repairs, or you can forget maintenance and pay your money into more extensive repairs and have the joy of giving your car a lift on the back of a tow truck occasionally. Ignore your car and the cost to run it via repairs is definitely higher than servicing it properly and not having emergency repairs and breakdowns. I bought my 2015 Dodge Grand Caravan new. I have calculated the numbers based on a used 2015 Dodge that had 15,000 on it and could have been purchased for $20K.

Vavvav you said you live and drive near the bus station. If you take the map of Niagara Falls and put a mark on it where the bus depot is, you will see that you have no riders on the east side of your location, (USA) and only a bit of the population to the north of you. That location is the most underpopulated area in Niagara Falls. The population is in the suburbs, not along the US border. For me I want to be in the middle of the riders, and it makes me a bit of money. The middle of the population moves through the day, but the base where people live is always the same. Every day there are 10 drivers between you and where the riders are. I am not going to tell you where I am, but I will tell you that I could not make even my minimum wage if I was in the downtown area.
 

Neptune

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Thank you for sharing. New to this game I will trust your numbers. I made $4200 gross the last two months working 350 hours, 8 weeks exact. $12 an hour gross. I go all over the Niagara Region. I have been busting my tail to make that $500 or so a week. Approximately 40 hours per week, much more then your 25 hours. I also keep the app on at many dead intervals and apparently in many dead zones I trust your math. At 26 cents per km deprecation roughly half the gross is wiped out. So, if I make $20000 roughly $10000 is profit over 40 hours a week. Over 2000 hours for the year that's $5 an hour net! If I improve my efficiency I can get up to $10 an hour net, or $22 gross like you Atomck! Thank you for sharing, it does make a lot of sense, we are still profiting but not as much as the reported $19 to $22 an hour. My km rate is about 2km per $ grossed by the way.

Atomck, are you saying no better then $10 gross in tourist district or net $10? there are definitely no magic spots, I find the long trips often save my week but I can't bank or guarantee them.

I do have one secret spot, if you tell me one location I will give away one bankable location on my end.

A big factor too is if one factors in drive time on the way back which can often be dead. I don't manipulate the app or shut it off on quiet periods, so my hours go up. But I like your math because it factors in km driven, which your ultimate cost, time is a factor but the end net result is based on km.

I have always heard 54 cents is average cost for running a vehicle and if that is the case we all are losing every trip we make!
 

atomck

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Neptune, my net before income tax is about $10. That is less than minimum wage, but it is what is left over for me to do with as I please. It works out to be pretty good spending money, but not what anyone could live on. I don't doubt that I could make a lot more money if I drove at night on the weekends. I just don't care to do that. I have lined up a number of people who ride with me every day, because I am in their driveway waiting to take them to work. They punch there ride into the app when they see me in their driveway. That is $50 a day every day, and growing. If I came back at the end of the day, it would be another $50 to bring them home. Because I live in Port Colborne I don't really want to drive back to Niagara again. I hope to have more regulars. There are summer shifts in the tourist industry that start between 11:AM and noon. I would like another 3 or 4 of them for another $35 every day. That would give me $85 a day to to be sure of every day. Something else is that I should explain is that although I live in Port Colborne, it is only 25 miles away from my favorite spot in Niagara Falls. My car gets 26 mpg so I am spending less than $10.50 a day to travel back and forth. I is a lot less expensive to live in Port Colborne. I think the 54 cents is a serious exaggeration. $162,000 to drive a car 5 years / 300,000 km ! That is $32,000 a year. Stay home, drive your couch, and save that. It's more than you can make working for UBER.
 
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