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Don't allow greedy companies to hide destinations

Discussion in 'Complaints' started by Nats121, Jun 10, 2018.

  1. Nats121

    Nats121 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Arlington VA
    Enough is enough of these scumbag companies including Uber, Lyft, doordash, postmates, etc hiding destinations from supposed independent contractor drivers.

    Each trip we take is a business deal, and as supposed ICs, we have a right to know the pertinent information BEFORE agreeing to the deal.

    Instead, only one party (fuber,etc) has the info and hides it from the other party (the drivers) .

    This yet another example of the ways we're treated like poorly paid employees who get no benefits rather than ICs.

    Combine this with the bad pay and overall disrespect we get, and something's gotta be done.

    An important point to remember is that hiding destinations enables these scumbag companies to pay garbage rates.

    Knowing destinations in advance would FORCE these companies to pay decent pay rates.

    Along with knowing destinations in advance, as ICs we should be able to accept or decline trips WITHOUT penalty.

    We can do something. Contact your local, state,county, and federal government representatives and the news media, and let them know what the hell is going on in this corrupt industry.

    Enough is enough.
     
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  2. reg barclay

    reg barclay Moderator Moderator

    Location:
    rockland/westchester NY, new jersey
    Driving:
    UberX
    I haven't studied employment/contracting laws, but I'm not sure we have a legal right to know all pertinent information. Imagine someone is an independent lawn mower and a potential customer asks him to mow his lawn for say $1 per square foot, but won't tell him how big the lawn is. Presumably the lawn mower can refuse the job due to lack of info, but who says the potential customer has to give him that info?
     
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  3. yrret

    yrret New Member

    Location:
    las vegas nv
    uber has its own twisted rules which are in fact illegal in many cases. their strategy is to bull their way into localities disregarding any laws and see what happens. in most cases they get away with what they are doing. their uber app can access your email, camera, microphone, messages and sensors. of course you have to give them permission to do so in order to use the uber app. they can track everything you do. what happened to privacy. the day of doom will soon come to uber that is why the remain a private company that lost 4.4 billion usd last year and their self driving cars have been a disaster along with facing many discrimination lawsuits. why do you think the founder of uber will have nothing to do with the company after the board asked him to resign.
     
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  4. Nats121

    Nats121 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Arlington VA
    Apples and oranges.

    We're not fuber's customers.
     
  5. reg barclay

    reg barclay Moderator Moderator

    Location:
    rockland/westchester NY, new jersey
    Driving:
    UberX
    I didn't say we were. Either Uber or the pax, are our customers. Maybe they don't legally have to tell us all the pertinent info to the job, but at the same time we have the right to not work for them if they don't.

    For the record, I agree with you that driver rates in general are too low (in case I get accused of being a shill). I'm just not sure your argument about telling us the destination is correct.
     
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  6. Cableguynoe

    Cableguynoe Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Monterey Bay
    Who have you contacted?

    How did you go about it?

    What did you say?
     
  7. Nats121

    Nats121 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Arlington VA
    I plan to contact govt and media, but it's gonna take MANY drivers all over the country to create change.

    Are you willing to?

    A potential customer who calls for service and refuses to give info would get hung up on.

    I believe as ICs we have a right to pertinent info, and if by chance fuber has a legal loophole out of telling us, that loophole should be closed.
     
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  8. wallae

    wallae Member

    Location:
    Small Coastal City
    I get this. I'm in a small city of 300k in a somewhat rural and poor area. I went 14 miles outside of the city into the woods. Picked up an old woman at the store and took her across the street to the trailer park (no tip) for $2.74 and drove back empty. I'm sort of forced to take a money loser.
     
  9. Yulli Yung

    Yulli Yung Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Lafayette, LA
    Driving:
    UberX
    Yet, another one of these post about the evils of Uber and all other related rideshare companies. My simple question to you is, "what has changed since the time you agreed to the operating procedures with Uber?" If you knew then that the destination would not be given yet agreed to Drive then why do you think you should have that information now?

    So, stop complaining, and either continue driving or stop driving for Uber and find another profession!!
     
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  10. pearl east

    pearl east Member

    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    Driving:
    UberX
    Uber should raise minimum pay to driver to $5.00 per trip. I have been driving for Uber only 2 month and already feel the pain - driving 9 minutes to pick up and only got paid $2.47 (less than 1 mile ride). Want to make money from Uber? No way! Now I am only doing 0 - 2 rides per day, for fun only.
     
  11. wallae

    wallae Member

    Location:
    Small Coastal City
    While I agree with the premise here I would question the legality of how you can be deactivated for refusing a ride when you find out it's a loser, or declining/not accepting trips that will be or most likely be losers. That would make you an employee.
     
  12. jgiun1

    jgiun1 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Pittsburgh
    It is true....what network of sub contractors, using their own tools, materials & time around the globe would accept jobs based on no information given and no dollar amounts.

    Just hope and pray theory
     
  13. wallae

    wallae Member

    Location:
    Small Coastal City

    I agree here. I exercise my right not to work weekdays when (here in my area) it's all you get. If enough people did that the pay would go up. In the far past 30 years ago I had some friends who owned a bunch of Burger Kings in a huge rent resort area. They could not get help at 6 an hour. PERIOD. They had choices...to pay 10 an hour, make the burgers themselves, or close. (there was not the immigration back then) They paid 10.
     
  14. steveK2016

    steveK2016 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Dallas / Fort Worth Texas
    Driving:
    UberXL
    Uber drivers apparently.

    In other IC industries, the IC has more power and leverage as they have the supply and theres demand for their skill set, which is specialized .

    An uber driver is not a specialist skill. Anyone with a pulse over thenage of 21 with no criminal history can be an uber driver within 1 week. No training, no certificate, no experience...

    If You want transportation leads, you abide by the narrow and one sided contract. If You do not agree with that contract, you can take your IC and shop for other companies to contract with. Unfortunately, theres not many options in the industry.
    You are not being fired. Your access to the Uber Transportation Lead Generator app is just deactivated.

    Canceling on paying customers makes the business look bad and they are entitled to stop sending leads to a contractor that makes their business look bad.
    As Nats121Nats121 will soon point out, and i agree with, is the oversaturation of immigrant workers that come to America and have no job qualifications that will happily driver Uber for peanuts.

    Many of these types of workers are probably renting out a 1 bedroom with 10 people living in it to keep expenses low.

    But Uber is not the only industry affected like this. Atlanta has a huge population of Mexican immigrants, most of which work in the construction industry. I once lived in an apartment complex where the one bedrooms had a half dozen workers jammed into it.

    These guys are amazing framers and would travel all the way past nashville tn to do week long framing jobs. Its crazy how far past Atlanta they go to do framing jobs but they do it fast, cheap, good work and without complaint that American framers just cant compete. They send out about 8 framers in an Ecoline van and They crash in a small no tell motel for the week.
     
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  15. wallae

    wallae Member

    Location:
    Small Coastal City

    Again I'm new... but I use the tools I can. 11-15 minutes away and a 4.5 rating I decline the trip.
    What sucks with Uber as opposed to Lyft is the rating system. With Uber I have to rate before I see if they tip.
    With Lyft I can wait 24 hours. Great guy no tip. You get a 4. Now if I see less than a 5 I can decline.

    My city/town is small. I see people twice and remember.. One guy... Newman...no kidding...sort of a grouch...I went a long way to get him. Maybe 14 minutes. Then a 5 dollar 17 minute ride in traffic. He was a guy who could afford it but no tip. Next week I accepted a ping and then saw him ..
    I Canceled :)

    Yesterday the same happened but it was a 3 time surge so I took him. Work the system

    Here I would disagree. I don't have a law degree but I have been a lawyer in two civil court cases and won. Lots of study involved
    I would argue that being deactivated is being fired.
    I would love to see a real lawyers opinion on this and would bet some would agree with me. A few years ago this may have won in the Supreme Court of the United States...maybe not so much now


    BTW- I agree 100% on the supply demand theory
     
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  16. reg barclay

    reg barclay Moderator Moderator

    Location:
    rockland/westchester NY, new jersey
    Driving:
    UberX
    You are free to not accept trips as much as you like, Uber doesn't deactivate drivers' accounts for low acceptance (i.e, ignoring requests), they only do so for high cancellations (i.e, accepting then cancelling). If you like you can limit yourself to accepting rides that are close by, and only accept ones that are far away when they have a 45+ minute ride notification.
     
  17. wallae

    wallae Member

    Location:
    Small Coastal City
    I think this would make an excellent court case. A winner in Ca at least :)
     
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  18. reg barclay

    reg barclay Moderator Moderator

    Location:
    rockland/westchester NY, new jersey
    Driving:
    UberX
    IIRC there was a court case in CA about these things, and that's one of the reasons we are free to reject rides today, and why Uber doesn't deactivate accounts for low acceptance rates.
     
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  19. wallae

    wallae Member

    Location:
    Small Coastal City
    Thanks. I was worried but noticed something and sort of assumed that. > free to reject rides today
    Did they also specifically decide Uber can deactivate you for a cancellation rate?
     
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  20. jgiun1

    jgiun1 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Pittsburgh

    So then one could bring up the "trade contractor" compared to "subcontractors"

    Then why are forced, reminded from Lyft/Uber to use "trade dress decals" on our cars. From what I gather, local governments consider it a "trade" if they are using the terms "proper trade dress"
     
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