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Does it pay to lurk offline till a surge happens?

Discussion in 'Surge' started by FormerTaxiDriver, Nov 9, 2017.

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  1. Yes

    17 vote(s)
    44.7%
  2. No

    16 vote(s)
    42.1%
  3. Sometimes; please elaborate in a post.

    5 vote(s)
    13.2%
  1. FormerTaxiDriver

    FormerTaxiDriver Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Chattanooga
    Lurking around offline with the backlight going to watch the heat map till it surges?
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2017
  2. awtprod

    awtprod Member

    Location:
    Seattle
    Yes. If I'm driving during a high demand time and in high demand area and there's no surge/PT, I'm waiting offline.
     
  3. RussellP

    RussellP Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Portland Maine
    Driving:
    Lyft
    YES. If everyone logged off and waited for a surge it would surging all the time...
     
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  4. FormerTaxiDriver

    FormerTaxiDriver Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Chattanooga
    Too many ants out there!
     
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  5. Loubie1130

    Loubie1130 New Member

    Location:
    Fort Worth, TX
    I was sitting at the airport thinking this very thing yesterday! I watched myself going door to door in the staging area asking each driver to turn off their app. We could drive surges this way. Then one by one we turn the app back on and ride the big wave of surges! We need to “organize”. I mean UBER uses surges in similar ways, right?
     

  6. RussellP

    RussellP Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Portland Maine
    Driving:
    Lyft
    it would be impossible to get drivers to do this. we're all very independent people. no one will agree to a self imposed queing system to log in one at a time... but it should be pretty common sense. you lose money on every non-surge ride. don't take them. me personally... i have surgechaser alerts set to 2x. i stay logged off until it's 2x or higher. I make about the same amount of money as i would taking min-fares all night long and i put 1/10th of the time and mileage in. It took me over a year of doing this to figure out that's how to make money. i wish all drivers would just know this... but at any given time probably 25% of the drivers on the road are newbs in the first week and they dont know this yet. we can't stop it. it's the newbs that kill the surges. like if you're the only car online in an area, why stay logged in? you're just gonna get a non-surge ride. if you just log out for a few mins, a surge will likely start. stay logged off as long as you can (monitoring other the other drivers)... login at the peak surge... wait until it drops below your threshold for minimums then log back out. i've seen many cases where i logged out when it got down to 1.7x after not getting any pings, and then the surge goes back up... if i was to just stay logged in, it would kill the surge completely. you have to massage the surge.
     
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  7. bpm45

    bpm45 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Chicago
    I think it helps somewhat but as long as the app is running even though you're offline Uber still knows where you are and where you're headed. I suspect that there is some anticipatory supply calculation that goes into surge determinations.
     
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  8. unPat

    unPat Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Orlando
    It really don’t matter. Uber knows you better than you do. Just go sit on a surge and Uber will start throwing pings at you. Every time you don’t accept the next one is slightly higher.
     
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  9. Strange Fruit

    Strange Fruit Well-Known Member

    Location:
    San Francisco
    Driving:
    UberX
    And it would then disappear when they all went online to take advantage of it. A few get the rides while the rest wasted their time staying offline to help the few lottery winners.
     
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  10. mrpjfresh

    mrpjfresh Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Asheville, NC
    Driving:
    UberX
    During busy days like weekend nights, I can pretty much predict when the surge times start to hit from experience. The biggest thing that will screw you, in my market at least, is the non-surge rides that people request before surge times will almost invariably take you miles out into the boonies assuring you WILL miss out on any surge before you can get back to the action.

    Also, during concerts or events (not the super large ones - avoid those nightmares), shrewd pax order their ride just before the event ends and you can screw yourself out of easy money by taking a ns ride too early here. This can sneak up on you so try to know when these events are going on, when they end and the kind of ping this is (far-away request to a busy area that should be covered is a good hint). Base rates are just too low not to look out for yourself. Play the game or let the game play you.
     
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  11. Rickshaw

    Rickshaw Active Member

    Location:
    San Francisco

    “Lurking” is the wrong word. It connotes something shady. Being situation-aware is just good business practice. Nothing wrong with maximizing profit/watching the bottomline.
     
  12. pegasimotors

    pegasimotors Active Member

    Location:
    DMV
    Driving:
    UberX
    It is shady. That is why Uber is ending it. They are the only ones allowed to lurk (watch you offline) on their platform and your phone.
    Everyone else needs to be a good any and go earn maximum profits for their investors and self driving car R&D
     
  13. bpm45

    bpm45 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Chicago
    I avoid stacked requests. It seems that one will come in for a 1.1x but then when I wait till the current ride is over I'll find myself in a surge much greater.
     
  14. jaystonepk

    jaystonepk Active Member

    Location:
    Buffalo, NY
    Driving:
    UberXL
    Exactly this! Got a ping just south of a college campus going 12 minutes south to a local casino. As soon as I dropped off the pax the area 2-3 minutes north of the campus I was just at starts surging 2x and above. MOTHER ****ER! I stay online and start heading north in case I can get close to the surge zone and 2 minutes from the outer zone I get a NS ping to the west. ANGRY WORDS!

    Looking out for your bottom line is key so lurking, monitoring, and/or being aware is fine by me. I've been guilty of going online too quickly from events as I started seeing a gaggle of people milling about with people taking rides but no surge on the map. I figure that I don't want to miss a ride so go online with destination set and get a base fare for like $5-$6 three events in a row and as usual, no tip. Earlier that week I had just gone 10 replies deep with CS over a disputed $4 from a promotion so I started to wonder if the app was simply shafting me and not showing surge on the heat map.
     
  15. Section1Guy

    Section1Guy New Member

    Location:
    Westchester, NY
    Driving:
    UberX
    So I'm one of these newb drivers in his first week... I understand staying offline and going online, but how the heck do you stay offline until a surge if you don't know when/where it is yet?

    I don't see it in the app unless I go online, right? What am I missing?
     
  16. pegasimotors

    pegasimotors Active Member

    Location:
    DMV
    Driving:
    UberX
    As of right now you CAN see a surge if you are offline (at least in my market) sometimes you may have to zoom in a little.
    You just have to observe over time and you will notice trends about surging.
    Then you put yourself in a situation to be in the right place at the right time and go online when surge is above 1.5-2.0x or whatever you want.
     
  17. kdyrpr

    kdyrpr Well-Known Member

    Location:
    CT
    THAT is what got the guys from LA deactivated. As far as I know if an individual decides to lurk offline until a surge pops up, UBER will not penalize you. HOWEVER, when a large (don't ask me what the threshold is) group of drivers do it simultaneously it is considered manipulation and THAT is what can get you deactivated. For instance what if you've been sitting home and you turn on your app and see that there is a 3.0 surge right on top of you? You turn on the app and decide to drive. NO problem with that.
     
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  18. FormerTaxiDriver

    FormerTaxiDriver Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Chattanooga
    You need to stay away from the other drivers, because nothing good comes from that!

    Drivers steal each others trade secrets and exploits one another. Let alone conspiring questionable activity.
     
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  19. hulksmash

    hulksmash Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Inland Empire
    The new system that's being piloted in Charlotte will eliminate this. You will have to be online to see the surge and you will have to be physically located in the surge to get paid for it. Surge is rarely on top of where I live, but it's often close enough that I can get pinged to it. No more chilling at home unless you live in the hotspot.
     
  20. Rickshaw

    Rickshaw Active Member

    Location:
    San Francisco
    Let’s clarify this though. The LA problem was that the group of drivers were inside the geofence of LAX and were on queue. Should not be a problem (manipulation) had they go offline outside of LAX or did so individually , without consulting one another going offline as a group (conspiracy).

    Not true.

    I have been helped by drivers and I have helped other drivers.

    Re: stealing/exploiting/conspiring, if you have that attitude, or think this is the case, you should be banned from UP.
     

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