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Another Uber Driver

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The majority of the customers really do not care how poorly Uber or Lyft treat the drivers. The customers really did not care about all of the hocus pocus going on when T. Kalanick was in charge, there. They do not care that he called it "Boober". When the guys at Lyft get exposed for their Henry E. Panky (his friends call him "Hank"), the riding public will not care, either.

The only thing about which the overwhelming majority of the riding public cares is that it presses a button and the ride shows up. Everything else is secondary, or lower, to that.
 

No Prisoners

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Both Uber and Lyft should provide passengers with a detailed receipt of trips. The receipt must include charges per mile, per minute, amount paid to driver and amount taken by the company.
This should be mandatory.
Of course both companies will fight it all the way through the Supreme Court. This rule would destroy public perception and make evident that both companies are gauging riders. There's no reason for surging when drivers are taking rides at 50% of surge amounts.
Dress it up anyway you want to, its price gauging.
Both companies use algorithm to decide prices based on passenger data, location, battery power remaining on phones.
It's a scam on passengers and drivers.
 

Juggalo9er

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Both Uber and Lyft should provide passengers with a detailed receipt of trips. The receipt must include charges per mile, per minute, amount paid to driver and amount taken by the company.
This should be mandatory.
Of course both companies will fight it all the way through the Supreme Court. This rule would destroy public perception and make evident that both companies are gauging riders. There's no reason for surging when drivers are taking rides at 50% of surge amounts.
Dress it up anyway you want to, its price gauging.
Both companies use algorithm to decide prices based on passenger data, location, battery power remaining on phones.
It's a scam on passengers and drivers.
50%?
I saw nothing
 

No Prisoners

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50%?
I saw nothing
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Sorry My mistake. You're correct. Most times now uber overcharging passengers and nothing extra for drivers. That's the new norm. Btw I've heard that after IPO rates to drivers dropping again and substantially. Lyft will follow.
 

TheDevilisaParttimer

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The majority of the customers really do not care how poorly Uber or Lyft treat the drivers. The customers really did not care about all of the hocus pocus going on when T. Kalanick was in charge, there. They do not care that he called it "Boober". When the guys at Lyft get exposed for their Henry E. Panky (his friends call him "Hank"), the riding public will not care, either.

The only thing about which the overwhelming majority of the riding public cares is that it presses a button and the ride shows up. Everything else is secondary, or lower, to that.
Well to be fair most clothes and shoes come out of sweat shops. Most people aren’t running around naked either.
 

rideshareMN

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thanks for the rec Juggalo9er

it is getting really bad...on Friday rush hour, I gave a couple rides where my take was about 50%, Uber clearly charged surge to customers, none of which was shared with me, their driving "partner"; of course, neither rider tipped, they were already paying double
 

No Prisoners

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Lately Lyft's lux pings have been steadily increasing, specifically if in an uber's surge area. Many areas don't show any surge on the driver's app while passengers are getting surge pricing. Nevertheless, most lyft lux passengers tell me that they request lyft lux, because uber's X is either the same or higher.
This means uber is charging passengers at least 2x and drivers nothing. The bright side is passengers getting smarter.

Both companies same crap. However, while uber is struggling to increase market share their efforts are failing miserably as it showed on their IPO filings. Uber's loses increased last quarter to over $1 billion, the biggest loss ever. Uber's market share dropped considerably, while driver pay decreased.
In Miami-Dade County Lyft's market share has increased considerably.
Again, both companies are equally horrible for drivers, but the point to focus on is that everything uber is doing falls perfectly beneficial on Lyft's plate.
 

SuzeCB

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Pax don't care what drivers get paid, and, in reality, it's NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

The way the contract and your 1099 is set up, you ARE getting 100% of what the pax pays, and then you are paying U/L the Booking Fee (covers insurance, background checks, etc.) and the TNC's Service Fee. It's set up to be, on paper, a situation where Riders are the Drivers' customers, but using U/L to connect with them, and Drivers are U/L's customers.

I believe the service fee, which is what U/L charges drivers for their service, is the key to changing back to the percentage format...

When you buy something, you have the right to know how much it's going to cost you, or how the cost will be calculated, before making the purchase. U/L no longer do that. This has got to be some sort of FTC/Consumer Protection law.

Forget unions for the moment. Forget whether drivers should or shouldn't be considered employees. THIS is the key to having your pay be proportionate with what the pax pays, with the normal base rate+miles+minutes being the minimum.

Like it used to be.
 

No Prisoners

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Pax don't care what drivers get paid, and, in reality, it's NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

The way the contract and your 1099 is set up, you ARE getting 100% of what the pax pays, and then you are paying U/L the Booking Fee (covers insurance, background checks, etc.) and the TNC's Service Fee. It's set up to be, on paper, a situation where Riders are the Drivers' customers, but using U/L to connect with them, and Drivers are U/L's customers.

I believe the service fee, which is what U/L charges drivers for their service, is the key to changing back to the percentage format...

When you buy something, you have the right to know how much it's going to cost you, or how the cost will be calculated, before making the purchase. U/L no longer do that. This has got to be some sort of FTC/Consumer Protection law.

Forget unions for the moment. Forget whether drivers should or shouldn't be considered employees. THIS is the key to having your pay be proportionate with what the pax pays, with the normal base rate+miles+minutes being the minimum.

Like it used to be.
time to put you on Ignore status.
 
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NOXDriver

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The receipt must include charges per mile, per minute, amount paid to driver and amount taken by the company.

Does ANY other business tell you the revenue allocation? Does Target tell you how much the UPS man got for delivering small qty items? Or how much the cashier or sales associate made on every purchase?

Drivers get paid crap... why do you think passengers care? They want the lowest price possible.
 

No Prisoners

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Does ANY other business tell you the revenue allocation? Does Target tell you how much the UPS man got for delivering small qty items? Or how much the cashier or sales associate made on every purchase?

Drivers get paid crap... why do you think passengers care? They want the lowest price possible.
Uber is terrified of this. Enough outcry and pressure might just expose them.
All it takes is keep pounding. Why do they need to hide. Expose them.
 

Juggalo9er

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Does ANY other business tell you the revenue allocation? Does Target tell you how much the UPS man got for delivering small qty items? Or how much the cashier or sales associate made on every purchase?

Drivers get paid crap... why do you think passengers care? They want the lowest price possible.
Does Target
charge two customers in the same store a different price
Pay their vendors based on what they feel like paying
 

goneubering

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Does Target
charge two customers in the same store a different price
Pay their vendors based on what they feel like paying
If you’ve ever flown on an airline you should know many people didn’t pay the same price you did. It’s a smart business practice.
 

No Prisoners

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Does Target
charge two customers in the same store a different price
Pay their vendors based on what they feel like paying
You’re responding to a Borg humanoid troll whose mandate is to refute anyone with scripted arguments. Same as when you get responses from customer service. It has been carefully analyzed, rehearsed, and implemented by uber throughout the years. Their arguments are designed to confuse and distort facts. They will then attack you with accusations and comparisons to socialists and communist. Since they cannot crucify you as they do in Saudi Arabia they try to destroy your character.
Keep stating facts and promulgating on media.
 
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