Being Online does not mean you are working for Uber

Papa Sarducci

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How many hours did you DRIVE for Uber last week?

Be careful how you answer this, Uber tells you how many hours you were ONLINE but of that time how much of it did you actually get paid for? I think if you track the time carefully when you are actually carrying passengers you will see that the time you spend driving people around is far less than the time online. Maybe this is how they come up with their ridiculous hourly wages, which is not really a lie, just deceptive as hell.

As an example, I'm online for 20 hours in a week, I make $300 or $15/hr, not bad, not great. Looking deeper I realize in that 20 hours I only spent 10 of it with actual paying pax inside. Now I'm making $30/hr, much better on paper. Remember, your time isn't worth shit to Uber, they could care less how much time you wait around. The only numbers they look at are the bottom line.

You don't drive around between rides for Uber, that is on you. The only thing you do for Uber is pick up pax and take them to their destination.
 

SEAL Team 5

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How many hours did you DRIVE for Uber last week?

Be careful how you answer this, Uber tells you how many hours you were ONLINE but of that time how much of it did you actually get paid for? I think if you track the time carefully when you are actually carrying passengers you will see that the time you spend driving people around is far less than the time online. Maybe this is how they come up with their ridiculous hourly wages, which is not really a lie, just deceptive as hell.

As an example, I'm online for 20 hours in a week, I make $300 or $15/hr, not bad, not great. Looking deeper I realize in that 20 hours I only spent 10 of it with actual paying pax inside. Now I'm making $30/hr, much better on paper. Remember, your time isn't worth shit to Uber, they could care less how much time you wait around. The only numbers they look at are the bottom line.

You don't drive around between rides for Uber, that is on you. The only thing you do for Uber is pick up pax and take them to their destination.
So that's sort of like a gov't worker. They're at the office for 40 hours a week, but really only work 18 hours. Or the city worker. Gets paid for 40 hours a week, but leans on his shovel for 31 hours and digs for 9 hours.
 

Papa Sarducci

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So that's sort of like a gov't worker. They're at the office for 40 hours a week, but really only work 18 hours. Or the city worker. Gets paid for 40 hours a week, but leans on his shovel for 31 hours and digs for 9 hours.
Except they get paid for 40 hours, so no, the opposite. You don't contract with Uber by the hour, it is by the ride. Employees get paid to work by the hour, or a salary which is basically based on a certain amount of hours. If you decide to drive around for 40 hours that is up to you but you only get paid for the time when pax are onboard.
 

tohunt4me

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So,Guido Sarducci,equate driving 21 minutes WITHOUT pay to pick up a PAX for a 5 minute 3 mile ride ?

The 21 minute dispatch by Uber to retrieve the customer who will then keep us waiting 5 minutes upon arrival,who will also rate us low for us needing 22 minutes to arrive,should be paid for.

How does that factor into the New Uber Math ?
 

tohunt4me

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So that's sort of like a gov't worker. They're at the office for 40 hours a week, but really only work 18 hours. Or the city worker. Gets paid for 40 hours a week, but leans on his shovel for 31 hours and digs for 9 hours.
Often the guy appearing to lean on the shovel is a " spotter" for the heavy equipment operator.

Backhoes make big BANGS when they sever underground electrical mains.

Natural gas lines make bigger BANGS.
Water lines just make a mess.

If Jimmy Hoffa is found,guy with shovel moves bones to side of excavation and covers bones with excavation fill ,to prevent month long project shut down.

The older the city,the more inaccurate the subterranian blueprints. Also,people like to throw junk in holes.junk from the 1950's can appear to be dangerous uncharted utilities.( or may simply be cold war nuclear waste barrels)shovel guy jumps in hole and pokes around.
 
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Papa Sarducci

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So,Guido Sarducci,equate driving 21 minutes WITHOUT pay to pick up a PAX for a 5 minute 3 mile ride ?

The 21 minute dispatch by Uber to retrieve the customer who will then keep us waiting 5 minutes upon arrival,who will also rate us low for us needing 22 minutes to arrive,should be paid for.

How does that factor into the New Uber Math ?
Good question, I will have to look at a couple trips and see if the time listed includes traveling to the pax. In other words does the trip timer start when we accept the ping?

I looked at just the app on Android and did not see where the trip info shows the end time, the start time is there, the total time is there but only time while the pax was onboard, have to check the dashboard on partners.uber.com and see if the details are there. Uber certainly makes this info hard to find, likely on purpose.
 
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tohunt4me

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Good question, I will have to look at a couple trips and see if the time listed includes traveling to the pax. In other words does the trip timer start when we accept the ping?
My gas tank and my active time of availability to generate profits reflect it crystal clear.

Perhaps a more ' sustainable' and realistic algorithm is required in San Francisco.
 

tohunt4me

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Good question, I will have to look at a couple trips and see if the time listed includes traveling to the pax. In other words does the trip timer start when we accept the ping?
I assure you traveling to the pax is included by the IRS.

PERHAPS ,Uber should pay GIFT TAX on our donations.

Such squandering of resources.
Not ' GREEN' AT ALL.( Sierra club is displeased)( bad publicity bad ! Could kittens eating ice cream compete ?)

Technology could do much better if it only WANTED TO.
 

Papa Sarducci

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I assure you traveling to the pax is included by the IRS.

PERHAPS ,Uber should pay GIFT TAX on our donations.

Such squandering of resources.
Not ' GREEN' AT ALL.( Sierra club is displeased)( bad publicity bad ! Could kittens eating ice cream compete ?)

Technology could do much better if it only WANTED TO.
No doubt all miles driven while online are counted by the IRS, you are driving around for business purposes.
 

tohunt4me

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Much correction needed to salvage what is left.

Uber used to be a good thing.

Lowering of rates.
Lowering of moral.
Lowering of image.

Xfinity used to be America's most despised corporation.

Used to be
. . .

Soon there will be equipment failures of catastrophic proportions due to an unsustainable business model which provides starvation poverty level compensation to its ' partners'

What a sad mistake !
 

Papa Sarducci

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I am afraid one day. I will turn on the evening news to view an Uber driver in front of Uber headquarters self emoliate with his LAST gallon of gas.
I belive immolate is the word you were going for. Knowing Uber they will blame the gas for being flammable. I hope he drives a Prius and burns that as well.
 

Bill Collector

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I agree Uber could have been much much better company for all the parties involved instead of just themselves. Folks are still willing to pay more for premium service made possible by technology. Drivers are still willing to haul strangers because we are social animals and enjoy company of total strangers. Question is how low is too low as far as rates are concerned. Sadly Uber will keep raking money as long as there are drivers willing to work for peanuts.
 
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