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Maven

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Autonomous Cars and Trucks have their own sub-forum <https://uberpeople.net/forums/Autonomous/> and are a major concern of American Drivers. My question is if Autonomous cars are implemented in America then how long before they reach London and the rest of the UK?

A significant percentage of Americans are already prepared to accept Autonomous Cars. Do you think that the altitudes of UK riders will be any different?
 
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Hogster

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Autonomous Cars and Trucks have their own sub-forum <https://uberpeople.net/forums/Autonomous/> and are a major concern of American Drivers. My question is if Autonomous cars are implemented in America then how long before they reach London and the rest of the UK?

A significant percentage of American riders are already prepared to accept Autonomous Cars. Do you think that the altitudes of UK riders will be any different?
In my opinion I estimate we'll be at least a few years behind the U.S. for full introduction of autonomous cars, especially on the private hire/taxi usage.

The roads & junctions in London were designed long before yours and ours are in a right mess.
I did read a few years ago that even to get the road markings in the UK up to spec that it will cost a hell of a lot of money.

They've been improving some road junctions in London but that is a 10 year project according to what I read before it started.

Remember our roads are narrower and we now have "cycle superhighways" for want of a better phrase squeezing us even more.

Yes eventually it may work well but I can imagine some big problems in the first couple of years when the use of autonomous vehicles goes widespread on our streets in London and other UK cities
 

WHU STEVE

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I want to know, if we have to have an English language test, and one of the best examples would be if a passenger is suddenly feeling ill and has to go to hospital, they can tell the driver what is happening! But what happens with the Autonomous vehicles? How can they be instructed?
 

uberSlim

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Autonomous vehicle will not work in London. The cost of implementation will overshadow benefits.
Then the road infrastructure and congestion alone will drown it
 

Ianhutch01

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Autonomous Cars and Trucks have their own sub-forum <https://uberpeople.net/forums/Autonomous/> and are a major concern of American Drivers. My question is if Autonomous cars are implemented in America then how long before they reach London and the rest of the UK?

A significant percentage of American riders are already prepared to accept Autonomous Cars. Do you think that the altitudes of UK riders will be any different?
The way things are going with Uber's with there crap rates, they might as well hurry up and make it all autonomous cars. The robot can have all the pool shit jobs lol.
 

Maven

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I would rather walk than putting my life in the hands of a tiny little computer chip
You are ALREADY "putting [your] life in the hands of a tiny little computer chip"
  • current ABS, cruise control and other vital systems in cars
  • diagnostic medical devices
  • cardiac pacemakers, hearing aids, and the like, used by millions
  • cell phones, tablets, TVs and PCs, used for daily communications, entertainment and information retrieval
  • microwaves and much, much more
You're surrounded by "tiny little computer chips" working so well that you're unaware of them. Start walking! :biggrin:
 
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Maven

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I am still in control (sort of). I still have nerves in my body to take control
It's true that most computer controlled systems are specifically designed to allow human interface if not overrides, but not all. For example:
  • Automotive ABS are designed to take away control from humans because the computer is better at avoiding an accident.
  • Can you imagine the disastrous results if Cardiac pacemakers could be turned off by humans without a full medical team standing by?
 

Ivor case

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Autonomous Cars and Trucks have their own sub-forum <https://uberpeople.net/forums/Autonomous/> and are a major concern of American Drivers. My question is if Autonomous cars are implemented in America then how long before they reach London and the rest of the UK?

A significant percentage of American riders are already prepared to accept Autonomous Cars. Do you think that the altitudes of UK riders will be any different?
The AWard for the most boringness Question goes too much wait for it
Maven
 

babasanfur

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It's true that most computer controlled systems are specifically designed to allow human interface if not overrides, but not all. For example:
  • Automotive ABS are designed to take away control from humans because the computer is better at avoiding an accident.
  • Can you imagine the disastrous results if Cardiac pacemakers could be turned off by humans without a full medical team standing by?
How would a computer reads and understands

- blind and deaf ppl on the road
- matrix signs for football and road closures
- the weirdest ever sign in the UK ( road ahead closed ) without specifying which one
- cones and sudden lane changes
- flashing headlamps showing anger or giving way

Too many things to go wrong with that


BTW many Uber drivers don't know that either
 

Maven

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I want to know, if we have to have an English language test, and one of the best examples would be if a passenger is suddenly feeling ill and has to go to hospital, they can tell the driver what is happening! But what happens with the Autonomous vehicles? How can they be instructed?
Non-verbal instructions are used for Uber passengers today. That may continue with SDCs. However, SDCs may include a multi-lingual voice command interface, but it would require a non-verbal backup. It should include a "panic button", which functions like a senior citizen emergency alert pendant.

The Award for the most boringness Question goes too much wait for it ... Maven
Thank you. Thank you. I want to thank all the member of the Academy that voted for me, mom, dad, my wife, my kids, my dog "Travis", my mailman, my uber guy, and many more that I just don't have enough time to thank properly. Unfortunately, many of the other people that responded to this thread, let alone those in the dynamic Autonomous forum apparently disagree. :p

How would a computer reads and understands

- blind and deaf ppl on the road
- matrix signs for football and road closures
- the weirdest ever sign in the UK ( road ahead closed ) without specifying which one
- cones and sudden lane changes
- flashing headlamps showing anger or giving way

Too many things to go wrong with that.. BTW many Uber drivers don't know that either
I completely agree that there are many, many problems and issues to be worked out. A lot more have been mentioned in the Autonomous forum. It will take many years to solve most and we many never be able to solve all since new problems will appear over time. That's why I expect SDC to be phased in, starting with the least problematic routes along with strong behind-the-scenes support for situations the SDC cannot yet handle.
 
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elelegido

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Autonomous Cars and Trucks have their own sub-forum <https://uberpeople.net/forums/Autonomous/> and are a major concern of American Drivers. My question is if Autonomous cars are implemented in America then how long before they reach London and the rest of the UK?

A significant percentage of American riders are already prepared to accept Autonomous Cars. Do you think that the altitudes of UK riders will be any different?
In the UK, a "rider" is someone who travels on horseback. When addressing UK audiences, use correct English. Call them fares, punters, passengers or pax.
 

babasanfur

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Non-verbal instructions are used for Uber riders today. That may continue with SDCs. However, SDCs may include a multi-lingual voice command interface, but it would require a non-verbal backup. It should include a "panic button", which functions like a senior citizen emergency alert pendant.


Thank you. Thank you. I want to thank all the member of the Academy that voted for me, mom, dad, my wife, my kids, my dog Spot, my mailman, my uber guy, and many more that I just don't have enough time to thank properly. Unfortunately, many of the other people that responded to this thread, let alone those in the dynamic Autonomous forum apparently disagree. :p


I completely agree that there are many, many problems and issues to be worked out. A lot more have been mentioned in the Autonomous forum. It will take many years to solve most and we many never be able to solve all since new problems will appear over time. That's why I expect SDC to be phased in, starting with the least problematic routes along with strong behind-the-scenes support for situations the SDC cannot yet handle.

And how many lives you gonna put at risk or even sacrify for that project


That's not the land of dreams coming true

UK is different
 

Maven

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In the UK, a "rider" is someone who travels on horseback. When addressing UK audiences, use correct English. Call them fares, punters, passengers or pax.
Please forgive an ignorant Yank. I humbly apologize. "Punters", really?
And how many lives you gonna put at risk or even sacrify for that project
That's not the land of dreams coming true... UK is different
"the land of dreams coming true"? Have you seen the news coming out of the USA since the Presidential election?!!
No, no. I'm gonna stop myself now or I'll be typing for hours. :rolleyes: Focus, Maven, focus! :wink:

Believe it or not, your otherwise reasonable question, "how many lives you gonna put at risk or even sacrifice?" - is completely irrelevant. So is all the current and future negative press that SDCs are receiving, and will continue to receive, about missing red lights, stop signs, accidents, berserker attacks, even deaths - tragic, but equally irrelevant. The "tipping point" will be hearing the following sometime in the future.

Exhaustive testing and statistical simulations have proven SDCs are now safer than human drivers.
It will be all over - except for the politics. At that point, the UK and USA are similar enough for SDC implementation to be a simple matter of time and money. Neither cars today or SDCs in the future will ever be 100% injury or fatality proof.

P.S. Now getting more activity in this thread than all others combined.
 
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Spy & Mash

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Non-verbal instructions are used for Uber riders today. That may continue with SDCs. However, SDCs may include a multi-lingual voice command interface, but it would require a non-verbal backup. It should include a "panic button", which functions like a senior citizen emergency alert pendant.


Thank you. Thank you. I want to thank all the member of the Academy that voted for me, mom, dad, my wife, my kids, my dog "Travis", my mailman, my uber guy, and many more that I just don't have enough time to thank properly. Unfortunately, many of the other people that responded to this thread, let alone those in the dynamic Autonomous forum apparently disagree. :p


I completely agree that there are many, many problems and issues to be worked out. A lot more have been mentioned in the Autonomous forum. It will take many years to solve most and we many never be able to solve all since new problems will appear over time. That's why I expect SDC to be phased in, starting with the least problematic routes along with strong behind-the-scenes support for situations the SDC cannot yet handle.
The majority of Uber passengers have got STDs.
 
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babasanfur

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Please forgive an ignorant Yank. I humbly apologize. "Punters", really?

"the land of dreams coming true"? Have you seen the news coming out of the USA since the Presidential election?!!
No, no. I'm gonna stop myself now or I'll be typing for hours. :rolleyes: Focus, Maven, focus! :wink:

Believe it or not, your otherwise reasonable question, "how many lives you gonna put at risk or even sacrifice?" - is completely irrelevant. So is all the current and future negative press that SDCs are receiving, and will continue to receive, about missing red lights, stop signs, accidents, berserker attacks, even deaths - tragic, but equally irrelevant. The "tipping point" will be hearing the following sometime in the future.

Exhaustive testing and statistical simulations have proven SDCs are now safer than human drivers.
It will be all over - except for the politics. At that point, the UK and USA are similar enough for SDC implementation to be a simple matter of time and money. Neither cars today or SDCs in the future will ever be 100% injury or fatality proof.

P.S. Now getting more activity in this thread than all others combined.
Until then I'll use hdcs
 

Ubend R.S.

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here in the UK there was a big decision made (in the 60's i think?) whether we should change the side of the road we drive on. it was too expensive. back then it was only road signs, road paint and traffic lights that would need changing. nowadays with cameras and computerised signal changes the work would be immense. our councils don't have the money to fill pot holes. there are roads here in london where a driver needs to get a little pushy at crossings. an over safety conscious driver can create congestion at certain crossings within minutes. we deal with tourists looking the wrong way before stepping out in front of us. drunks not looking at all. idiots playing chicken. cyclists traveling the wrong way and making it up as they go. impromptu road closures and repairs constantly changing flow patterns. as well as passengers who need assistance getting in and out of our vehicles. i'm not saying it could never happen but the outlay would be huge.

uber have a great thing going. their partners are liable for almost all the cost of delivering passengers. other than subsidising rides, uber's outlay is tiny. they don't collect assets. just doesn't add up to me.
 
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