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Allergies and pets

sameena kreuz

New Member
Hi. My name is Sam. Been Ubering on and off since my father became ill last year. He died end of March 2015. Now, I Uber until I pass the bar exam. One thing that is getting me worried is Uber's policy on service animals. I have a known allergy to animal dander. I can't stop sneezing. It isn't safe for me to drive. I have yet to find an antihistamine that works or doesn't make me drowsy. I explained this to Uber and they want proper documentation of a severe allergy. I can get them a doctor's note saying that I'm allergic to pet dander, but nobody is going to write severe allergy. Also, if I am forced to wait with a rider until a driver that can drive them is available, aren't I being penalized for my allergy? I feel the judges aren't going to reverse the California decision. It really seems like we are employees. I see en masse deactivations in the future.
 

KeJorn

Well-Known Member
And to think much of this came from a few riders tweeting that they were discriminated against for having a "service dog" when requesting an Uber, yet every indication suggests they were lying and just abusing the provisions provided for people with REAL service animals.
The laws are lopsided and the DoJ would be the first place you should look at understanding YOUR rights and what you can and cannot do.
Do not just take Uber's word for it.

http://www.ada.gov/qasrvc.htm

unfortunately, you may be right... many deactivations yet to come.
 

Don Oldenburg

Active Member
Hi. My name is Sam. Been Ubering on and off since my father became ill last year. He died end of March 2015. Now, I Uber until I pass the bar exam. One thing that is getting me worried is Uber's policy on service animals. I have a known allergy to animal dander. I can't stop sneezing. It isn't safe for me to drive. I have yet to find an antihistamine that works or doesn't make me drowsy. I explained this to Uber and they want proper documentation of a severe allergy. I can get them a doctor's note saying that I'm allergic to pet dander, but nobody is going to write severe allergy. Also, if I am forced to wait with a rider until a driver that can drive them is available, aren't I being penalized for my allergy? I feel the judges aren't going to reverse the California decision. It really seems like we are employees. I see en masse deactivations in the future.
Kinda a double edge sword here Sam. You're hired or contracted (whatever term applies today) to do a job. In this case to drive a passenger from origin to destination. You may not like the answer, but if you can't drive for all passengers that UBER sends you -- then maybe this isn't a gig for you. If your THAT allergic -- I wouldn't want a dog in the car even once.

On a positive note -- We are given the pickup address, user rating, name when a ride is PING to us. Wouldn't it be great to know that they have a service animal? Or better yet -- allow people like myself who are dog owners to check a box that indicates we welcome your service dog (or other dogs for that matter). And let those rides go to the people who want them?

Some of these issues with Pets, distance, etc could be SOOO easily solved with a few adjustments in the application.
 

Fuzzyelvis

Well-Known Member
And to think much of this came from a few riders tweeting that they were discriminated against for having a "service dog" when requesting an Uber, yet every indication suggests they were lying and just abusing the provisions provided for people with REAL service animals.
The laws are lopsided and the DoJ would be the first place you should look at understanding YOUR rights and what you can and cannot do.
Do not just take Uber's word for it.

http://www.ada.gov/qasrvc.htm

unfortunately, you may be right... many deactivations yet to come.
"ALL THIS" came when an uber driver put a blind man's dog in his TRUNK. And it was already the law.

An allergist will write "severe allergy" if in fact you have one. I have severe allergies and severe asthma. There is NO medication that controlled my allergues, which in turn set off my asthma. The only thing that worked was allergy shots and I get 4 (the max).

If allergies are that severe then she should see an allergist as regular docs are clueless. It takes about 6 MO the for the shots to kick in.

My asthma was so bad I couldn't walk up a flight of stairs without using my rescue inhaler. So I get it. But if she hasn't made a REAL attempt to treat it then maybe this job is not for her.

Blind people have been having a problem for a long time with taxis. Now service dogs come in all shapes and sizes everyone is screaming fraud but the ADA is very active on this subject for a reason.
 

KeJorn

Well-Known Member
For the time being, NEVER openly deny them because of the pet.
Best to keep your true reasoning private and provide them a canned response. Uber can relate to that...
It MAY save your hind quarters should the allegation be made. On the plus side, the chances of running into the situation may be very slim.
CYA as best you can. The good thing is, this is temporary until you pass the bar exam... :smiles:
 

Fuzzyelvis

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For the time being, NEVER openly deny them because of the pet.
Best to keep your true reasoning private and provide them a canned response. Uber can relate to that...
It MAY save your hind quarters should the allegation be made. On the plus side, the chances of running into the situation may be very slim.
CYA as best you can. The good thing is, this is temporary until you pass the bar exam... :smiles:
You can deny them because of a PET. Service animals are not pets and her heading is incorrect.
 

KeJorn

Well-Known Member
"ALL THIS" came when an uber driver put a blind man's dog in his TRUNK. And it was already the law.
Well yes, then that driver was in the wrong. However, false claims and tweets have also been made.

Everyone is NOT screaming fraud, but in some cases, it seems pretty clear.
Had a lady sneak a dog in a bag without saying anything, until the little pooch barked while we were driving.
I like dogs (though I too have developed allergies to both cats and dogs.. cats being more of an issue).. however, I have small little pills I get from over the counter that I use to deal with it....
The lady even admitted she has been turned down by businesses and drivers, because it is not a service dog. So guess what her solution was, be more sneaky.
THAT is what we are dealing with, like it or not.

The laws should not be one sided. Both parties have rights and where one person's rights impose on another, laws need to be in place to sort the matter out.
Right now, those laws are skewed and need fixing. So until they are, do whatever you have to.
Yes, you take the risk of deactivation, fines, or a lawsuit. But as long as you know the penalties and can live with them, make your own call based on WHAT you need to do.
 

KeJorn

Well-Known Member
You can deny them because of a PET. Service animals are not pets and her heading is incorrect.
And the minute you have them clarify that it is a pet or service animal, your fate is sealed.
Don't go there and make your own judgement call. Just cover your ass as much as possible.
 

KeJorn

Well-Known Member
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An allergist will write "severe allergy" if in fact you have one. I have severe allergies and severe asthma. There is NO medication that controlled my allergues, which in turn set off my asthma. The only thing that worked was allergy shots and I get 4 (the max). If allergies are that severe then she should see an allergist as regular docs are clueless.
You should also consider Fuzzy's suggestion about the allergies.
At least provide something that says you have those allergies and send it in.
If they say it is not sufficient, go see a specialist and see if they can specify "severe allergy"...
 

KeJorn

Well-Known Member
You may not like the answer, but if you can't drive for all passengers that UBER sends you -- then maybe this isn't a gig for you.
" But if she hasn't made a REAL attempt to treat it then maybe this job is not for her.
Not to go far off the topic here, but this kind of thing has become a bit of a pet peeve of mine....

I have a pet peeve about other people constantly suggesting that driving for Uber may not be for someone... just because that person has one hang up.
As if most are willing to work for peanuts and the disrespect just for the hell of it. Most likely they do it because they HAVE to and the flexibility is a big part of that equation.

Hell, if a cop can be an @@@@@@@ and still remain a cop, while people give him a pass because: "Not everyone should deal with the public, to some its just a job"
Then by God, you can be an Uber driver...

Ok,. rants over.
 

sameena kreuz

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I appreciate that clarification. Yes, my title should be service animals and allergies. Also, asking 1) Is the animal for a disability? and 2) What is he/she trained to do? can be easily falsified. I have really tried to find a medication that works. I come from a family of physicians. My brother an MD/PhD works for Novartis ( pharm. co.) and it is very rare to have a severe allergy to animals (anaphylaxis). Sorry to hear about the asthma. That really sucks the life out of you without proper medication. I wished I had medication that worked and didn't make me a zombie. Maybe Uber understands all this and sneezing non-stop is severe enough while doing something that requires the utmost focus and concentration like driving? I'll keep you posted. I like the idea of an app modification, my cousin works for Google. I'm sure he can come up with numbers as to how costly a modification this would be for Uber.
 
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Fuzzyelvis

Well-Known Member
Not to go far off the topic here, but this kind of thing has become a bit of a pet peeve of mine....

I have a pet peeve about other people constantly suggesting that driving for Uber may not be for someone... just because that person has one hang up.
As if most are willing to work for peanuts and the disrespect just for the hell of it. Most likely they do it because they HAVE to and the flexibility is a big part of that equation.

Hell, if a cop can be an @@@@@@@ and still remain a cop, while people give him a pass because: "Not everyone should deal with the public, to some its just a job"
Then by God, you can be an Uber driver...

Ok,. rants over.
It's no different from me not taking a job that requires I lift heavy boxes. I have a bad back. Can't do it and I wouldn't try.
 

Fuzzyelvis

Well-Known Member
I appreciate that clarification. Yes, my title should be service animals and allergies. Also, asking 1) Is the animal for a disability? and 2) What is he/she trained to do? can be easily falsified. I have really tried to find a medication that works. I come from a family of physicians. My brother an MD/PhD works for Novartis ( pharm. co.) and it is very rare to have a severe allergy to animals (anaphylaxis). Sorry to hear about the asthma. That really sucks the life out if you without proper medication. I wished I had medication that worked and didn't make me a zombie. Maybe Uber understands all this and sneezing non-stop is severe enough while doing something that requires the utmost focus and concentration like driving? I'll keep you posted. I like the idea of an app modification, my cousin works for Google. I'm sure he can come up with numbers as to how costly a modification this would be for Uber.
The sneezing non stop was one of my issues. I could easily go through a big box of tissues in less than a day. I'm allergic to dogs, cats, horses, mice, dust mites, cockroaches, weeds, trees, grasses, molds. There may be others I'm missing. The ONLY things I was tested for I'm NOT allergic to are feathers and cotton. The tests were run with a scale of 0 to 4. My allergist said I was on of the most allergic patients he had. He said most of my reactions were 10s on the 0 to 4 scale.

They had to keep me in the office and treat me because the testing set off my asthma.

I own cats abd dogs and funnily enough you become less allergic to your own pets as you build up a tolerance. Also some are less allergenic than others. But when I go to the vets office I do have a reaction to the dander there. I'm more allergic to cats than dogs.

I was in danger of my asthma killing me before I saw the allergist. The regular doctors are not any good at preventing allergies or asthma. They worry about overdosing you. My allergist gave me huge amounts of medications and once I was under control dosed it back. Other doctors under dosed me and every little allergen sent me backwards. You need a comprehensive plan to deal with everything.

Also, limiting exposure to all allergens helps. If you sniff the grass, sleep in dust mites and THEN meet a dog it may be the last straw. By controlling what you can (hepa filters, remove carpet, covers on pillows and mattresses etc etc) you can reduce the effect of any one thing. It's the cumulative exposure that can often be the problem.
 

Disgusted Driver

Well-Known Member
The other side of the coin is that I have never had anyone with a service animal request a pu and I've done over 3000 trips.

A novel approach might be to warn them that because you are severely allergic they will be damaging your car by taking the animal inside it. You'll have to get the car professionally cleaned and that might cost up to $150.00 which they would be responsible for. Therefor, you suggest they cancel and and rerequest (as you go offline).
 

Michael - Cleveland

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Moderator
In a couple of thousand trips I've only had one service dog and one pet dog.
I wouldn't worry about it.

The absolute worst thing that could happen is that you arrive at a pick-up and find the pax has a service animal and you need to assist them getting a different car & driver.

So what if it takes up 5 minutes of your time. You're in Chicago... you're not going to miss your only ride possibility of the day in the next five minutes. I wouldn't worry about it...

And if/when the time comes that you have to deal with it, just treat the person the way you'd want a driver to treat your own mom (uh, assuming you actually like your mom).
 
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Another Uber Driver

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I can get them a doctor's note saying that I'm allergic to pet dander, but nobody is going to write severe allergy. Also, if I am forced to wait with a rider until a driver that can drive them is available, aren't I being penalized for my allergy?
I find it curious that the doctor will write a letter stating that you are allergic to pet dander, but will not write a letter that states what the actual condition is. It is not that I disbelieve you, it is simply that I find it curious.

All that the D.C. Taxicab Commission requires is a letter from the doctor that states that you are allergic to dogs. You must file a copy with the Taxicab Commission and keep a copy in your cab.
 

sameena kreuz

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It is meant to be understood as : my allergy as classified by an allergist would not fall under anaphylaxis. Most folks understand this reaction as what constitutes a severe allergy I.e. peanut allergies.
 

Fuzzyelvis

Well-Known Member
It is meant to be understood as : my allergy as classified by an allergist would not fall under anaphylaxis. Most folks understand this reaction as what constitutes a severe allergy I.e. peanut allergies.
You claim to have a doctor in the family. Yet you can't get said doctor to write a letter for uber?
 
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