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SoCalGabbieCash

Active Member
Please read the following link from the California DMV: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/15-16/bill/asm/ab_1401-1450/ab_1422_cfa_20150417_083422_asm_comm.html
In short, you cannot drive for more than 10 hours during a 15 hour shift. The DMV is making Uber and Lyft submit drivers records.


BILL ANALYSIS AB 1422


Page 1 Date of Hearing: April 20, 2015


ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE ON UTILITIES AND COMMERCE

SUBJECT: Transportation network companies

SUMMARY: This bill authorizes transportation network companies
(TNC) to participate in the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)
Employer Pull Notice System (EPN). Specifically, this bill:

a)Authorizes a TNC to participate in the DMV EPN to regularly
check the driving records of a participating driver regardless
of whether the participating driver is an employee or an
independent contractor of the TNC.
EXISTING LAW:


1)Establishes the "Passenger Charter-Party Carriers Act" (CPC),
which directs the California Public Utilities Commission
(CPUC) to issue permits or certificates to charter party
carriers (CPC), investigate complaints against carriers, and
cancel, revoke, or suspend permits and certificates for
specific violations. (Public Utilities Code §5387)

2)Defines "charter-party carrier of passengers" as every person
engaged in the transportation of persons by motor vehicle for
compensation, whether in common or contract carriage, over any
public highway in the state. (Public Utilities Code §5360)

AB 1422
Page 2
3)Defines a "transportation network company" to mean an
organization, including, but not limited to, a corporation,
limited liability company, partnership, sole proprietor, or
any entity operating in California that provides prearranged
transportation services for compensation using an
online-enabled application or platform to connect passengers
with drivers using a personal vehicle. (Public Utilities Code
§5431)
4)Establishes the EPN administered by the DMV that provides the
employer of a driver who drives a specified type of vehicle
with a report showing the driver's current public record and
any subsequent convictions, driver's license revocations,
failures to appear, accidents, driver's license suspensions,
driver's license revocations, or any other actions taken
against the driving privilege. (Vehicle Code §1808.1)

5)Requires employers of drivers of specified vehicles, such as
commercial truck drivers, school buses, farm labor vehicles,
tow trucks, youth buses, paratransit vehicles, ambulances,
vehicles that transport hazardous materials, to show EPN
reports during regular business hours upon the request of the
California Highway Patrol. (Vehicle Code §1808.1)

6)Requires employers of drivers of specified vehicles as
described above to obtain EPN reports from DMV at least every
12 months that are to be signed, dated, and maintained by the
employer. (Vehicle Code §1808.1)

7)Defines an employee as anyone that renders a service for
another, other than as an independent contractor. (Labor Code
§3357)
FISCAL EFFECT: Unknown.


COMMENTS:

7)Suggested Amendments:

5444. A transportation network company may shall participate
in the pull-notice system established pursuant to Section
1808.1 of the Vehicle Code to regularly check the driving
records of a participating driver regardless of whether the
participating driver is an employee or an independent
contractor of the transportation network company.



8)Arguments in Support: According to the Sacramento County
Deputy Sheriffs' Association, the Los Angeles County
Professional Peace Officers Association, and the Long Beach
Police Officers Association, "AB 1422 will improve public
safety by providing TNCs with timely information, thereby
allowing the TNCs to remove dangerous drivers from their
driver pool."



9)Related Legislation:
AB 24 (Nazarian) 2015: This bill would require charter party
carriers and transportation network companies to participate
in the Department of Motor Vehicles Employer Pull Notice
System, and submit all drivers to a Department of Justice
criminal background check.

AB 1422


Page 7

AB 828 (Low) 2015: This bill would exclude from the
definition of "commercial vehicle," for purposes of the
Vehicle Code, any motor vehicle operated in connection with a
transportation network company.


AB 1360 (Ting) 2015: This bill would exempt a rideshare
program operated by a transportation network company that
arranges a ride among multiple passengers who share the ride,
in whole or in part, from computing transportation charges
based on a vehicle mileage or time of use, provided that the
fare for each passenger is less than the fare that would be
charged to a single passenger traveling alone.


10)Prior Legislation:
AB 612 (Nazarian) 2014: Requires charter-party carriers to
participate in the Department of Motor Vehicles Employer Pull
Notice system, and submit all drivers to a Department of
Justice criminal background check. Held in the Assembly
Committee on Transportation.


AB 2293 (Bonilla) 2014: Establishes guidelines for insurance
coverage for Transportation Network Companies to ensure
personal and financial safety of consumers. Chaptered by the
Secretary of State - Chapter 389, Statutes of 2014.


11)Double Referred: This bill is double referred to the
Assembly Committee on Transportation.
REGISTERED SUPPORT / OPPOSITION:




Support

Sacramento County Deputy Sheriffs' Association


Long Beach Police Officers Association


Los Angeles County Professional Peace Officers Association


Uber Technologies, Inc.




Opposition


Greater California Livery Association




Analysis Prepared by:Edmond Cheung / U. & C. / (916) 319-2083
 

Deric

Well-Known Member
This article was a mouthful, but what I get from it is that Uber has to actually look harder at the current and onboarding driver's, so mass deactivation loom?
 

Djfourmoney

Active Member
I had Class A, I don't drive more than 10 hours anyway, no use. I used to use all my 10 hours up because I go home on weekends but that's only when I drove for JB Hunt.
 

SoCalGabbieCash

Active Member
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #6
To be clear, the transportation industry is one of the most dangerous occupations and that's why it's so highly regulated. The two main points drivers will have to address is not driving for more than 10 hours a day, and having the DOJ conduct a background check on them. It was just a matter of time before this happened. Uber SUV, LUX, and Black will suffer the most because they are being exploited by limousine companies who are too cheap and crooked to hire them as employees, so they charge them super high rates to "lease" their vehicles. Bottom line is Uber needs to comply with regulations and increase rates.
 

Eric K

Active Member
Lyft already will log you off after so many hours. I have no problem with it. I hear stories of drivers saying they have been driving 18 plus hours. It's just a matter of time before a driver falls asleep at the wheel and causes an accident.
 

JaredJ

Well-Known Member
Not a big deal. I've never driven that much within that period of time. Pretty standard labor reqs.
 

RockinEZ

Well-Known Member
Please read the following link from the California DMV: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/15-16/bill/asm/ab_1401-1450/ab_1422_cfa_20150417_083422_asm_comm.html
In short, you cannot drive for more than 10 hours during a 15 hour shift. The DMV is making Uber and Lyft submit drivers records.


BILL ANALYSIS AB 1422


Page 1 Date of Hearing: April 20, 2015


ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE ON UTILITIES AND COMMERCE

SUBJECT: Transportation network companies

SUMMARY: This bill authorizes transportation network companies
(TNC) to participate in the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)
Employer Pull Notice System (EPN). Specifically, this bill:

a)Authorizes a TNC to participate in the DMV EPN to regularly
check the driving records of a participating driver regardless
of whether the participating driver is an employee or an
independent contractor of the TNC.
EXISTING LAW:


1)Establishes the "Passenger Charter-Party Carriers Act" (CPC),
which directs the California Public Utilities Commission
(CPUC) to issue permits or certificates to charter party
carriers (CPC), investigate complaints against carriers, and
cancel, revoke, or suspend permits and certificates for
specific violations. (Public Utilities Code §5387)

2)Defines "charter-party carrier of passengers" as every person
engaged in the transportation of persons by motor vehicle for
compensation, whether in common or contract carriage, over any
public highway in the state. (Public Utilities Code §5360)

AB 1422
Page 2
3)Defines a "transportation network company" to mean an
organization, including, but not limited to, a corporation,
limited liability company, partnership, sole proprietor, or
any entity operating in California that provides prearranged
transportation services for compensation using an
online-enabled application or platform to connect passengers
with drivers using a personal vehicle. (Public Utilities Code
§5431)
4)Establishes the EPN administered by the DMV that provides the
employer of a driver who drives a specified type of vehicle
with a report showing the driver's current public record and
any subsequent convictions, driver's license revocations,
failures to appear, accidents, driver's license suspensions,
driver's license revocations, or any other actions taken
against the driving privilege. (Vehicle Code §1808.1)

5)Requires employers of drivers of specified vehicles, such as
commercial truck drivers, school buses, farm labor vehicles,
tow trucks, youth buses, paratransit vehicles, ambulances,
vehicles that transport hazardous materials, to show EPN
reports during regular business hours upon the request of the
California Highway Patrol. (Vehicle Code §1808.1)

6)Requires employers of drivers of specified vehicles as
described above to obtain EPN reports from DMV at least every
12 months that are to be signed, dated, and maintained by the
employer. (Vehicle Code §1808.1)

7)Defines an employee as anyone that renders a service for
another, other than as an independent contractor. (Labor Code
§3357)
FISCAL EFFECT: Unknown.


COMMENTS:

7)Suggested Amendments:

5444. A transportation network company may shall participate
in the pull-notice system established pursuant to Section
1808.1 of the Vehicle Code to regularly check the driving
records of a participating driver regardless of whether the
participating driver is an employee or an independent
contractor of the transportation network company.



8)Arguments in Support: According to the Sacramento County
Deputy Sheriffs' Association, the Los Angeles County
Professional Peace Officers Association, and the Long Beach
Police Officers Association, "AB 1422 will improve public
safety by providing TNCs with timely information, thereby
allowing the TNCs to remove dangerous drivers from their
driver pool."



9)Related Legislation:
AB 24 (Nazarian) 2015: This bill would require charter party
carriers and transportation network companies to participate
in the Department of Motor Vehicles Employer Pull Notice
System, and submit all drivers to a Department of Justice
criminal background check.

AB 1422


Page 7

AB 828 (Low) 2015: This bill would exclude from the
definition of "commercial vehicle," for purposes of the
Vehicle Code, any motor vehicle operated in connection with a
transportation network company.


AB 1360 (Ting) 2015: This bill would exempt a rideshare
program operated by a transportation network company that
arranges a ride among multiple passengers who share the ride,
in whole or in part, from computing transportation charges
based on a vehicle mileage or time of use, provided that the
fare for each passenger is less than the fare that would be
charged to a single passenger traveling alone.


10)Prior Legislation:
AB 612 (Nazarian) 2014: Requires charter-party carriers to
participate in the Department of Motor Vehicles Employer Pull
Notice system, and submit all drivers to a Department of
Justice criminal background check. Held in the Assembly
Committee on Transportation.


AB 2293 (Bonilla) 2014: Establishes guidelines for insurance
coverage for Transportation Network Companies to ensure
personal and financial safety of consumers. Chaptered by the
Secretary of State - Chapter 389, Statutes of 2014.


11)Double Referred: This bill is double referred to the
Assembly Committee on Transportation.
REGISTERED SUPPORT / OPPOSITION:




Support

Sacramento County Deputy Sheriffs' Association


Long Beach Police Officers Association


Los Angeles County Professional Peace Officers Association


Uber Technologies, Inc.




Opposition


Greater California Livery Association




Analysis Prepared by:Edmond Cheung / U. & C. / (916) 319-2083
As it should be.
I have never driven 15 hours and am not sure why someone would want to.
 

SoCalGabbieCash

Active Member
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #12
I've been driving nonstop since NYE no problem .. The pax wakes me up when I fall asleep
This bill was created for drivers just like you who are willing to be fined, jailed, and even die for a dollar bill. You have no regard for your life or the lives of others, and it will be your downfall.
 

LAuberX

Well-Known Member
Moderator
Two things about the bill get my attention.

One, the "DMV pull notice" system... will that reference then be on your driving record for all Insurance companies to see?

And this, what appears to exempt Uber/Lyft from the bill as long as they offer "pool":

AB 1360 (Ting) 2015: This bill would exempt a rideshare
program operated by a transportation network company that
arranges a ride among multiple passengers who share the ride,
in whole or in part, from computing transportation charges
based on a vehicle mileage or time of use, provided that the
fare for each passenger is less than the fare that would be
charged to a single passenger traveling alone.
 

bauer

Well-Known Member
Two things about the bill get my attention.

One, the "DMV pull notice" system... will that reference then be on your driving record for all Insurance companies to see?

And this, what appears to exempt Uber/Lyft from the bill as long as they offer "pool":

AB 1360 (Ting) 2015: This bill would exempt a rideshare
program operated by a transportation network company that
arranges a ride among multiple passengers who share the ride,
in whole or in part, from computing transportation charges
based on a vehicle mileage or time of use, provided that the
fare for each passenger is less than the fare that would be
charged to a single passenger traveling alone.
I agree. This bill can be a major problem when it comes to insurance. One of the most powerful lobbies in the world of power is insurance. They have the juice to get things like this passed. With hundreds of thousands of uber drivers in the US, the insurance companies can generate that much more income by increasing rates for drivers once they get their hands on the list of uberers. We're all f@$!#d
 
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RockinEZ

Well-Known Member
I agree. This bill can be a major problem when it comes to insurance. One of the most powerful lobbies in the world of power is insurance. They have the juice to get things like this passed. With hundreds of thousands of uber drivers in the US, the insurance companies can generate that much more income by increasing rates for drivers once they get their hands on the list of uberers. We're all f@$!#d
In CA we have MetroMile and Farmers Insurance.
They have figured out the TNC sector is big bucks for insurance.
If insurance companies package the proper insurance product they can make money.
I do believe other companies are watching MM and Farmers to see how it works out.
 

Deric

Well-Known Member
Bill may crush Uber, if drivers get dropped from their policy or increase the premium, at Uber low rates, drivers will not be able to afford to continue doing Uber and not all riders are going to jump to Black SUV LUX
 

RockinEZ

Well-Known Member
Bill may crush Uber, if drivers get dropped from their policy or increase the premium, at Uber low rates, drivers will not be able to afford to continue doing Uber and not all riders are going to jump to Black SUV LUX
Insurance:
If you use MM or Farmers you will not be CXL
MM costs the same as my old private insurance. Farmers is 20% more.
TNC insurance is available and affordable.

Cost of Driving vs. wages:
I agree, I could not drive at the rates they pay you in L.A.
You do have surges we don't have in San Diego, so for now you can make a buck if you hustle, but I hear you.
Uber may make it impossible for anyone but the retired and housewives to drive for pocket change.
 

LLB2

Member
I have a commercial license and drive for a living anyway. In California it's 10 hours driving in a 16 hour shift and you need to have 8 hours off before you can start again. You can't work (on duty not just driving) more than 60 hours in 7 days or 70 hours in 8 days. If Uber has to turn in the online logs of every driver a whole bunch will be forced to take 34 hours off and restart their weeks. Driver hour limits should of been built into the app from the beginning so nobody gets killed.
 

groovyguru

Well-Known Member
I have a commercial license and drive for a living anyway. In California it's 10 hours driving in a 16 hour shift and you need to have 8 hours off before you can start again. You can't work (on duty not just driving) more than 60 hours in 7 days or 70 hours in 8 days. If Uber has to turn in the online logs of every driver a whole bunch will be forced to take 34 hours off and restart their weeks. Driver hour limits should of been built into the app from the beginning so nobody gets killed.
Following the rules would be mean the end for the full time uBer drivers. When I drove I had 18 hour days on average, some 24 hour days, and a few that went 32 plus hours straight. I did it because it was the only way to end a shift with a decent return on my investment. By hour 8 or ten on any given day I was only at $150 or so. That last ten hours got me another $200 + , ending my days at $350 +. I needed $1800 a week, and the lack of restrictions enabled that. uBer does not pay enough for people to follow the rules.
 
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