A new study indicates app hailing services contribute 50% of congestion in San Fran

BurgerTiime

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https://www.govtech.com/fs/Uber-and-Lyft-Slowing-Traffic-in-San-Francisco-Says-Report.html%3fAMP

The experience of moving through San Francisco in a car has gone from slow to crawl.



Congestion in the Bay Area flagship city has grown increasingly worse, and a new report by the San Francisco County Transportation Authority placed a sizable portion of that blame on ride-hailing services like Lyft or Uber.



“It appears that TNCs (transportation network companies) contributed approximately 50 percent of the overall increases in congestion in San Francisco between 2010 and 2016,” the report reads.

To be clear, TNCs are not the only factor contributing to clogged streets. This city — which measures roughly 7 miles by 7 miles — has grown in both population and jobs. San Francisco grew from about 805,000 residents in 2010 to 876,000 residents in 2016, an 8.8 percent increase, according to the county report. Meanwhile, the city supported about 700,000 jobs in 2016, a 28.4 percent jump from 2010, which means more commuters funneling into the city.
 

NorCalPhil

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They forgot to mention signals that don't adjust to realtime traffic. Construction on nearly every street. Right hand turn signals that operate at the same time as pedestrian traffic, letting one or two cars through per light. Four-lane roads reduced to two because the curbside lanes are reserved for busses. Delivery vehicles double parked everywhere.

And there's poop all over the place.
 

BurgerTiime

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They forgot to mention signals that don't adjust to realtime traffic. Construction on nearly every street. Right hand turn signals that operate at the same time as pedestrian traffic, letting one or two cars through per light. Four-lane roads reduced to two because the curbside lanes are reserved for busses. Delivery vehicles double parked everywhere.

And there's poop all over the place.
Lol nasty! There’s a poop app that gives crappy coordinates to pick up human feces

 

SRGuy

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Tons of empty cars looking for a ride help create gridlock but also provide the on demand ride that uber and Lyft need to be competitive. Fewer cars = longer wait times. At some point the dam will burst .
 

Larry$$$

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They forgot to mention signals that don't adjust to realtime traffic. Construction on nearly every street. Right hand turn signals that operate at the same time as pedestrian traffic, letting one or two cars through per light. Four-lane roads reduced to two because the curbside lanes are reserved for busses. Delivery vehicles double parked everywhere.

And there's poop all over the place.
I went to Seoul, south Korea in May. There's 9+ million people there plus lots of cars..bus. there's was never any traffic jam as bad as SF. Crosswalk always clear when lights are green. Over here in SF..you will see buses block intersection all the time.
 

RideshareSpectrum

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This is my favorite circle jerk thread that happens every two months.
A study is published stating the completely obvious and drivers argue over the merits of the study. Drivers who live here (all three of us) blame the 25k ant mobiles coming over a bridge every day from someplace else to look for PAX.
Then drivers commuting to SF from anywhere else blame everything from traffic signals, construction, human feces and pedestrians for the traffic hell refusing to admit their contribution.
 

BiggerDog

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Exactly correct.

I went to Seoul, south Korea in May. There's 9+ million people there plus lots of cars..bus. there's was never any traffic jam as bad as SF. Crosswalk always clear when lights are green. Over here in SF..you will see buses block intersection all the time.
Lack of enforcement of the law here.
 

Pax Collector

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That's what happens when you have ants from all over the Bay that don't know where the heck they're going or follow simple signs. San Franshitco isn't for noobs.

I'll stick to South Bay.
 

Bob fox

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"approximately 50 percent of the overall increases in congestion in San Francisco between 2010 and 2016,”

This doesn't mean UL is half the traffic or half the congestion or cars on the road. The article is misrepresented by the title of this post.

Population 805,000 to 876,000 suggests there's roughly 70,000 person increase in the city in the six year period.

New jobs draw lots of new people. And their new cars. Consider also that all the gentrified and pushed out folks probably didnt have as much income as the more affluent. On average, it is likely that there are more cars per household etc. Of course there are lots of ridesharing cars... most of which have stickers on them all the time whether or not they are active and working. People look around and see all the decals and look for someone to blame for the traffic.

Lets say there are 10,000 cars on the streets doing ridesharing at any given time. They pick up Pax and drop off, sometimes carpooling several at a time. This reduces congestion. Also, after their ten minute trip, they're not driving in circles 20-30 minutes looking for parking. Remember how bad parking is. All that contributes quite a bit to congestion.

Years ago i read that at any given time, 1 of 2 cars on the road in Manhattan are driving around looking for a parking space.
 

BiggerDog

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There are 100,000+ rideshare cars in the Bay Area as of last April according to Uber Management.

The market is at equilibrium with 25,000 commercial vehicles.
 
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Bob fox

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There are 100,000+ rideshare cars in the Bay Area as of last April according to Uber Management.

The market is at equilibrium with 25,000 commercial vehicles.
I'd like to know how many cars in the Bay area total to compare the 100000 to. Also a most useful piece of information is how many of those cars are actively doing ride share given each hour of the day. Remember that there are many people who do it for a couple hours a month or 2 hours a week. I read a while back that ubers data said 85% of drivers did it less than 15 hours per wk
 

BiggerDog

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That is what Uber wants you to think. Just making some extra money on the side. Most are working significant hours and a massive amount are driving a long ways to be here to drive for Uber and live out their cars.

I like Dara’s comment in the WSJ today. He used the statement, “lure drivers.”

They are trying to trap you and get you to stay on Application as long as possible.
 
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