99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

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Your a troll nothing more..you keep saying the Flu because you think if you keep saying it people will believe it ... You're dangerous and an idiot
thanks for playing

you can fool most of the people most of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time
 

mbd

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Doctors and Nurses age 60 and higher should not be dealing with CV patients.
Let younger Doctors/ Nurses deal with the patients.
 

dauction

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Spain has 72,248 cases and 5,690 Deaths
Germany has 53,340 and just 399 Deaths !


A sturdy healthcare system

Germany is in good shape to fight its outbreak because it has a well-developed and comprehensive healthcare system, with both public and private options.

Germany spends $4,714.26 per person each year on healthcare, according to World Bank data from 2016. The figure is higher than most other nations.

Germany has the second-most critical care beds per capita in Europe, according to data from European Health for All. The beds are essential when trying to battle severe cases of the coronavirus.

Germany has 621 beds per 100,000 people. Italy has 275, and Spain 293.

"In general, we have a rather good intensive care situation in Germany," German virologist Martin Stürmer told Vox.

"We have highly specialized doctors and facilities, and maybe that's part of the reason why our severely ill patients survive compared to those in other countries.
Old people have by and large avoided infection.

The average age of a German infected with coronavirus is 46, whereas in Italy it is 63, according to Wired.


Older people are far more likely to die from the coronavirus, and most deaths occur in those with preexisting health conditions, which are more common in older people.

80% of all people infected in Germany are younger than 60, the Robert Koch Institute said on Monday, indicating that the outbreak hasn't yet taken hold in older people, where the risk of death is much higher.

In Spain the number of affected over-60s is around 50%.




In the Uniteds States the Average age is 38 ..so we should have an even lower rate...around 1% death rate ..still 10 times larger than the flu but far better than Spains 8% and Italys 11% death rate
 

Jon77

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then why aren't more people dying from it ?

75 million americans with high blood pressure and only 1,700 deaths ?
the common flu is laughing at Covid19 as the common flu kills 153 each day

Covid19 aint shit

thanks for playing
COVID-19 is now at 71 Americans dead per day average.

When COVID-19 crosses 153 deaths per day would you reconsider your position?

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Italy just crossed 10,000 deaths today.
10,000 deaths in just a little over a month.
They had their first death on February 22.
10,000 dead in a little over a month with the entire country under extreme quarantine conditions.

Most reasonable people can see this is not influenza.
 
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Major League

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36,000 people died in the US from the flu in the 2017/18 season. After three months worldwide we are only at 30,000 dead from corona.

But 500,000 people on average die per year from the flu. That's about 40,000 per month or 120,000 deaths over 3 months.

So far and worldwide the flu is 3X deadlier than the Corona Virus. Hm.
 

2win

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Plain and simple.

This goes along with what I posted about Italy's recent flu seasons killing 1,833 people each month on average.


There’s a difference between 1800 a month and 1000 a day. The difference is the flu vs covid-19.

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COVID-19 is now at 71 Americans dead per day average.

When COVID-19 crosses 153 deaths per day would you reconsider your position?

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Italy just crossed 10,000 deaths today.
10,000 deaths in just a little over a month.
They had their first death on February 22.
10,000 dead in a little over a month with the entire country under extreme quarantine conditions.

Most reasonable people can see this is not influenza.
Actually over 400 American’s died yesterday alone.
 

Jon77

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There’s a difference between 1800 a month and 1000 a day. The difference is the flu vs covid-19.

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Actually over 400 American’s died yesterday alone.
I’m averaging out to get an average daily death rate since the first US casualty on February 29.
This is just beginning to ramp up, these numbers are going to be staggering pretty soon.

And what the deniers are not realizing is that this is the very end of the flu season.
In a few days flu season is done.
From the CDC website.



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2win

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I’m averaging out to get an average daily death rate since the first US casualty on February 29.
This is just beginning to ramp up, these numbers are going to be staggering pretty soon.

And what the deniers are not realizing is that this is the very end of the flu season.
In a few days flu season is done.
From the CDC website.



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That graph shows the times that month was the peak. Meaning March could be the peak of flu season. Or December or most often February. Peak is not the end of the season, it’s when it’s worst. Either way we agree deniers need to wakeup. Or compare covid19 to a bigger pandemic like tuberculosis.
 

Jon77

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36,000 people died in the US from the flu in the 2017/18 season. After three months worldwide we are only at 30,000 dead from corona.

But 500,000 people on average die per year from the flu. That's about 40,000 per month or 120,000 deaths over 3 months.

So far and worldwide the flu is 3X deadlier than the Corona Virus. Hm.
Exponential growth, read about it.
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That graph shows the times that month was the peak. Meaning March could be the peak of flu season. Or December or most often February. Peak is not the end of the season, it’s when it’s worst. Either way we agree deniers need to wakeup. Or compare covid19 to a bigger pandemic like tuberculosis.
In other words we peaked already on the Covid crisis, it’s all done.
We’re on the down slope now, next month will be less than this month ?
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2win

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In other words we peaked already on the Covid crisis, it’s all done.
We’re on the down slope now, next month will be less than this month ?
No clue how you came to that conclusion. We are entering the eye of the storm. It’s unfortunately just beginning. Maybe peaking in May. We can hope for some seasonality but lack of immunity is fighting against us in contagion.
 

Jon77

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Here’s the big bad tuberculosis pandemic in the United States.
Per the CDC website.


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TB killed 515 Americans in ALL of 2017.
TB is a Third World problem, it’s not an issue in developed countries.

More than 400 Americans died in the last 24 hours, so what do you think exponential growth has in store for us over the next 24 ?
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That graph shows the times that month was the peak. Meaning March could be the peak of flu season. Or December or most often February. Peak is not the end of the season, it’s when it’s worst. Either way we agree deniers need to wakeup. Or compare covid19 to a bigger pandemic like tuberculosis.
I misunderstood you, sorry.
It just blows me away that people still denying this is even happening.
Mr. Major league obviously has some cognitive issues.
 
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2win

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Here’s the big bad tuberculosis pandemic in the United States.
Per the CDC website.


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TB killed 515 Americans in ALL of 2017.
TB is a Third World problem, it’s not an issue in developed countries.

More than 400 Americans died in the last 24 hours, so what do you think exponential growth has in store for us over the next 24 ?
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I misunderstood you, sorry.
It just blows me away that people still denying this is even happening.
Tuberculosis kills 1.5 million a year worldwide. Including over 200k kids. Its been a problem for 150 years. I don’t value American’s lives over others. Life is a life.
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More than 400 Americans died in the last 24 hours, so what do you think exponential growth has in store for us over the next 24 ?
Likely more than 1k per day by end of the week unfortunately.
 

Jon77

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Tuberculosis kills 1.5 million a year worldwide. Including over 200k kids. Its been a problem for 150 years. I don’t value American’s lives over others. Life is a life.
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Likely more than 1k per day by end of the week unfortunately.
Yeah I think you’re right, probably Friday or Saturday we’re going to have around 1000 deaths a day in the United States from this COVID-19.

But there’s still gonna be people that will refuse to even acknowledge the huge elephant in the room.
 

Major League

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I’m averaging out to get an average daily death rate since the first US casualty on February 29.
This is just beginning to ramp up, these numbers are going to be staggering pretty soon.

And what the deniers are not realizing is that this is the very end of the flu season.
In a few days flu season is done.
From the CDC website.



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Actually, the first reported case of Corona was on January 20th and many suggest it was here earlier than that. You do realize that both the Corona and the flu are viruses and reported to be negatively impacted by warmer weather? So your graphical argument actually works against you as much as for you.
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Here’s the big bad tuberculosis pandemic in the United States.
Per the CDC website.


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TB killed 515 Americans in ALL of 2017.
TB is a Third World problem, it’s not an issue in developed countries.

More than 400 Americans died in the last 24 hours, so what do you think exponential growth has in store for us over the next 24 ?
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I misunderstood you, sorry.
It just blows me away that people still denying this is even happening.
Mr. Major league obviously has some cognitive issues.

Now I know why you wear the helmet in your picture. You do realize that TB is a bacterial infection and Corona is a viral. In some ways they mimic each other but the main difference is that most who have TB need anti bodies. The closest related illness to Corona right now is the flu which is why you will see many comparison pages.

RE: exponential growth
Maybe this will help you. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

We actually had 525 new deaths yesterday but if you scroll to the bottom of the page, you will see that new cases is reported less as compared to the prior day for the last 5 days which indicates nearing the peak of the bell. The numerical gap is lessening, in case you didn't understand.

And if you navigate to Italy's page you will see that they are or at least appear to be at the other side of the bell in new cases reported.

And here is a quote from Dr. Fauci who is part of the President current task force.
Taken from this article. https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/03/03/flu-update

"According to an editorial published in NEJM by Anthony Fauci and Clifford Lane from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and CDC director Robert Redfield, the true death rate for the coronavirus could end up being below 1%, which would make it similar to the death rate seen in a severe flu season."
 
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Jon77

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Actually, the first reported case of Corona was on January 20th and many suggest it was here earlier than that. You do realize that both the Corona and the flu are viruses and reported to be negatively impacted by warmer weather? So your graphical argument actually works against you as much as for you.
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Now I know why you wear the helmet in your picture. You do realize that TB is a bacterial infection and Corona is a viral. In some ways they mimic each other but the main difference is that most who have TB need anti bodies. The closest related illness to Corona right now is the flu which is why you will see many comparison pages.

RE: exponential growth
Maybe this will help you. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

We actually had 525 new deaths yesterday but if you scroll to the bottom of the page, you will see that new cases is reported less as compared to the prior day for the last 5 days which indicates nearing the peak of the bell. The numerical gap is lessening, in case you didn't understand.

And if you navigate to Italy's page you will see that they are or at least appear to be at the other side of the bell in new cases reported.

And here is a quote from Dr. Fauci who is part of the President current task force.
Taken from this article. https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/03/03/flu-update

"According to an editorial published in NEJM by Anthony Fauci and Clifford Lane from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and CDC director Robert Redfield, the true death rate for the coronavirus could end up being below 1%, which would make it similar to the death rate seen in a severe flu season."
The reported cases are starting to flatten because the whole country is shut down.

No work, no schools, no bars, no restaurants, no concerts, no going out to the beach, no going out to the park.
Maximum and unprecedented shut down of the entire country.

We are not in the flu season now, we should not be experiencing this problem at this time.
Flu season peaks in February, we are going into April now.
Look at the CDC chart for April there’s nothing of any importance during normal times, using no containment efforts at all.

Repeat, with - ZERO- efforts to control influenza, April is not normally an influenza month.

During a normal April schools are open, concerts are going on, people are at work, and still influenza is not a major problem.

But this April cases will be going up and deaths will be going up.
We will not see the crest till maybe late spring or early summer.
Social distancing plus warm weather as an ally will hopefully help us get this under control.
God willing.

We are flattening the curve because we are doing something we’ve never done in our history.
 

Major League

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The reported cases are starting to flatten because the whole country is shut down.

No work, no schools, no bars, no restaurants, no concerts, no going out to the beach, no going out to the park.
Maximum and unprecedented shut down of the entire country.

We are not in the flu season now, we should not be experiencing this problem at this time.
Flu season peaks in February, we are going into April now.
Look at the CDC chart for April there’s nothing of any importance during normal times, using no containment efforts at all.

Repeat, with - ZERO- efforts to control influenza, April is not normally an influenza month.

During a normal April schools are open, concerts are going on, people are at work, and still influenza is not a major problem.

But this April cases will be going up and deaths will be going up.
We will not see the crest till maybe late spring or early summer.
Social distancing plus warm weather as an ally will hopefully help us get this under control.
God willing.

We are flattening the curve because we are doing something we’ve never done in our history.

Do you just make stuff up as you go along. Flu season goes till the end of April and sometimes longer.

CORONA and FLU are both viruses and historically lose effectiveness as the weather warms.

Corona is still significantly smaller than this years flu in terms of all the statistics.

The flu has caused hundreds of thousands of hospital visits - 500,000 and tens of thousands more deaths.

The flu has caused the death of dozens of children, app. 140 while there are zero from corona.
 

Jon77

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Do you just make stuff up as you go along. Flu season goes till the end of April and sometimes longer.

CORONA and FLU are both viruses and historically lose effectiveness as the weather warms.

Corona is still significantly smaller than this years flu in terms of all the statistics.

The flu has caused hundreds of thousands of hospital visits - 500,000 and tens of thousands more deaths.

The flu has caused the death of dozens of children, app. 140 while there are zero from corona.
CDC making things up.

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2win

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Again buddy, you keep posting this chart but seems you aren’t reading it right. The chart says PEAK. @Major League is right, flu season generally ain’t over yet. Though it likely already peaked. It’s also likely the social distancing measures have had some impact.
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The worst would be having the flu, going to get tested or to the doctor and catching covid19.
 
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