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Why do we expect tips?

Discussion in 'Tips' started by Geno71, Dec 27, 2016.

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  1. Back it up Uber

    Back it up Uber Member

    Location:
    Carnegie, PA
    You say we are more fast food type workers than bartenders because bartenders get paid a small wage, right?

    I have worked part time as a pizza delivery driver and valet. We get paid min. wage or higher base pay plus we expect tips. I always tip wherever there is a service that truly makes my life a little easier and getting a ride from Uber is on the top of that list! Here are some examples, getting an uber ride instead of standing outside waiting for a bus, going to a game so I don't have to park far away and save money on parking, going out drinking and don't have to worry about drinking and driving, etc...
     
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  2. me2

    me2 Active Member

    Location:
    Ann Arbor mi
    You tip a cab driver and pay twice the cost to take one I feel that you should tip your driver if you ask them to wait
     
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  3. Geno71

    Geno71 Active Member

    Location:
    Pittsburgh PA
    It's not like this anymore though. Look it up.
     
  4. Geno71

    Geno71 Active Member

    Location:
    Pittsburgh PA
    You're right, it is a perfect troll question, but only because of this intense feeling of entitlement some of you show you feel I'm trolling. I posted my question in the Complaints board, this is my complaint, I wanted to complain about drivers that act like tips are owed to them for no good reason other than they just drive using Ubers by their own choice.

    Love tips, don't expect them and don't cry when most riders don't tip.
     
  5. unPat

    unPat Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Orlando
    It still is . Uber doesn't have to control every aspect of the driving and let the independent contractors flourish on their own.
     

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  6. Back it up Uber

    Back it up Uber Member

    Location:
    Carnegie, PA
    I don't rate paxs bad just cause they don't tip or anything like that but yes, driving for uber is definitely a job where tips should be given. If you ever worked in the service industry before you wouldn't be saying the dumb things you are saying.
     
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  7. u-Boat

    u-Boat Active Member

    Location:
    West of the Atlantic, East of the Pacific
    Driving:
    UberXL
    It has nothing to do with economic variance due to geography. uBer has been selling drivers short everywhere for awhile now. (If you signed up three years ago you would know what I'm talking about). In a few short years uBer has regressed from "your own private driver for hire" to "uBerPool and compliment badges". They've thrown standards, ethics and premium service out the window in exchange for global rideshare domination and autonomous vehicle research... all at the driver's expense. And that's why you're here on this forum talking about tips and the difference between making $7.25 and $10 an hour. You're talking peanuts when you should be talking macadamias.
     
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  8. Geno71

    Geno71 Active Member

    Location:
    Pittsburgh PA
    I'm not the one stating Uber drivers make minimum wage...
     
  9. hulksmash

    hulksmash Active Member

    Location:
    Inland Empire
    I used .30c as an estimate, doesn't necessarily apply to my situation. If we use .25c in the same example, your wage is up to 8.63 an hour, at .2o your up to 11.63hr. Keep in mind that you may be paid little to nothing for time and mileage to pick up passengers, and your hourly rate is reduced by any long periods of waiting for rides, especially with constant influx of new drivers.

    As far as the monthly expenditures, most of it except for the gas are delayed expenses, since you don't always need maintenance, tires, etc every month. Expenses should also include a fund for unexpected repairs. vehicle expenses also include money for a replacement if you drive extensively, not to mention increased insurance premiums for added mileage plus extra costs for ride share insurance.

    I do Uber because I drive relatively few hours and miles a week, and I can afford to stay offline until I can get paid a good hourly wage worth my time, and I can tolerate the few times where I don't make as much as I would've liked. I agree it is only a viable job as a part timer in the right situation. I would shoot myself if I had to do this all day everyday.
     
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  10. Shangsta

    Shangsta Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Seattle
    I get what geno is saying. If tips are the difference of you making a profit (or not) Uber is the wrong app for you. You should drive taxi, lyft or something else.

    I use Uber because I can still make money without relying on tips.
     
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  11. Nenee

    Nenee Active Member

    Location:
    Miami
    Driving:
    UberLUX
    Totally agree with you. It's not so much about the tip functionality of the app but rather the message they have put out there for the pax. That tips are NOT required. If they felt that tips were expected just like in any other service industry they would mk it a point to have a few dollars on hand. Of course cheap paxs run with ubers message of no tip rwquires, it doesn't tk much!

    I expect that if u r paying the clunky stinky cab twice as much as what u are paying me for a fare AND u r leaving him a tip (because it is EXPECTED) for his services that there is no reason i shpuld not get a tip for delivering a bether overall experience. Pax should be appreciative they get to ride in my squaeky clean lux ride for a fraction of the cost they pay for a cab - and show their gratitude by at least leaving a comparable tip to what they leave the cabby.

    U have no idea how many times I have gone out of my way to accommodate the pax...waiting, tkg bk routes, being a tour guide, consierge, etc. Not because I at the time I was expecting to be compensated but merely because I am a nice person by nature. Did I get a tip every time? No, I would say 80% of those time I did not. However I have come across other paxs who are extremely generous and that for silly things have left me up to $100 tip.
     
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  12. Wardell Curry

    Wardell Curry Well-Known Member

    Location:
    nyc
    Driving:
    UberX
    Exactly and I won't downrate pax who don't tip unless they make multiple stops where I have to wait for them. That is the only way you lose stars with me in relation to tips. Airport runs with me loading and unloading luggage , no tip, 5 stars as long as the ride was smooth with no other issues.
     
  13. Lionslover

    Lionslover Active Member

    Location:
    Oak park
    I'm assuming you don't drive the late night bar crowd,and about how many rides have you done for uber?
     
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  14. jonhjax

    jonhjax Active Member

    Location:
    32233
    The $.2625 per mile (×1000=$26.25) is your taxable income. Minimum wage is taxable income. This is taxable income before your $7000 (more or less) personal deduction on your income tax forms. I understand that you don't really have $.54 per mile in expenses but the amounts above are what lenders really look at when you try to get a loan. IMO, you probably need to have a well established credit history and a significant amount of money (more than 20%) to get a loan for major purchases such as a home or a car and even then your loan application might get denied. You are putting some of your money aside for the purchase of your next vehicle,aren't you? If you're not, good luck. BTW, if your total expenses are $.20 per mile the difference between the amount I used is still only $.3625 per mile, or $362.50 per 1000 miles, or $9.0625 per hour, based on 40 hours per week. Is 40 hours a reasonable amount of time to put in 1000 miles? This includes waiting for calls and dead head miles. Please let me know if I'm way off on my time worked to miles driven estimate. Thanks much for your time.
    Oh, I know you get extra for surge, wait time, promotions, etc. Do these extras come close to doubling your wages or more. If they are you are making more money but remember this money is taxable and not just for federal and state income taxes. You owe social security for at least 15% of all your income above $.54 per mile.
     
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  15. Geno71

    Geno71 Active Member

    Location:
    Pittsburgh PA
    I drive from around 6pm to 12:30-1am on Fridays and 4-5pm to 12:30-1am on Saturdays. I deal with drunk people and college kids, like it makes any difference. I did around 400 rides, drive every weekend, yeah, not a vet like some of you hardcore people, but again, that makes no difference here.

    Look around, I'm saying you're not entitled and you guys are fighting with me with "yes I am because..." arguments. My complain it that I think you're doing it wrong and you're only making it harder for yourself with that mentality. Enjoy tips when you get them, put up signs to get more, that's ok too. All the posts here complaining about how riders are dicks for not tipping and how drivers rate them low for that are what prompted me to post my opinion.
     
  16. elelegido

    elelegido Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Varies
    Shirley, you cannot be serious.

    In case you are:

    Definition of culture:
    1 b : the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group; also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (as diversions or a way of life) shared by people in a place or time <popular culture> <southern culture>
    c : the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization <a corporate culture focused on the bottom line>
    d : the set of values, conventions, or social practices associated with a particular field, activity, or societal characteristic <studying the effect of computers on print culture> <changing the culture of materialism will take time — Peggy O'Mara>

    I can't believe you had to ask that question, lol o_O
     
  17. Steven Ambrose

    Steven Ambrose Well-Known Member

    Location:
    St. Petersburg, FL
    Driving:
    UberSELECT
    I happen to work in a field for major purchases, aka a home. As a processor and next year, an underwriter, most lenders heavily scruntize self employment and 1099 income. Your expenses should never exceed income. Granted, you can have effective tax rate of 0, but you should limit negative income variables. I know when I have processed loans and looked at Scedule C expenses for Lyft and Uber drivers and either they self prepared or their accountant was not completely educated on Schedule C expenses and the potential impacts.

    Anyway, sorry if I commented out of turn.
     
  18. Strange Fruit

    Strange Fruit Well-Known Member

    Location:
    San Francisco
    Driving:
    UberX
    riders are sheep for not tipping. I started 3 years ago and I remember the mental dillemma when they'd worry about it. Or all the people that wanted to tip but thought we'd get in trouble. Some would slip me cash and say "I know you're not allowed, but I won't tell". It was very much a thing, and was ignorant of Uber's marketing, and was baffled at heearing people say "the tip is included". I'd be like "where are they all getting that idea, it's weird how they all say the same thing". Wtf is included mean. There's a fare, adn Uber takes 5%. there's not tip included. I even dropped off a mom visiting her Berkely daughter from SFO. The mom gave me a tip as the daughter walked out to greet us. She got mad and said "I've never been asked for a tip. The tip is included."
    I said "there's no tip included. What does that even mean. There's a fare and that's it. And I didn't ask. She just offered because she's a kind person."
    That last sentence was my favorite. She was speechless after that. Thank god for old people. NObody is entitled to a tip, but no rider is entitled to me being a pleasant person if I don't feel like being one. Or taking any ****. I've had someone come out of their house and have the audacity to tell me they needed 5-10 minutes, but then they handed me a $20. I'm suddenly happy to wait for 5-10 minutes, and it turned out to be like 3 minutes. Then there's those who suddenly feel like they have their own Jeeves to do their bidding, and ask for a water as they leave the car. They are least likely to tip though. And I'm less likely to be a pleasant person if I don't feel like it. This is what people reaped by not tipping. I take my driving and not colliding with anything, seriously. The rest went out the window when I realized people would rather say things like "there should be an option for 6 stars because you're doing better than most" than tip.
    Me: "Oh, you could just tip instead and those that are driving better are more likely to stick with the system since they'll make more, which is better for you riders in the long run."
    "No. Like some other way." (this conversation actually happened, and the guy was really cluelessly trying to compliment me, not being a &%$@!*. But these words were really exchanged. I wish I could give you 6 stars, bro. So he can raise my rating .000000000000001? Thanks dude, that'll help out.

    Ultimately, I agree with the OP though, but feelings like what I just typed above are probably where some of the ire comes from. And people prefer to whine. It's hard to take some of them seriously when after complaining about they can't make enough money, they say they are going to the casino instead. I work full time, and I can't be going to throw money away at a casino. So what is their deal? They seem to be doing ok. They obviously don't have much skin in the game if when they can't make "real money" Ubering they can afford to not work at all and go throw away money at a casino. Can we bash on those people too? I'm too lazy to start a thread just bashing a class of folks, but maybe Geno will do it. Please.
     
  19. Do tell

    Do tell Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Home
    I have a high FICO score over 700,I had a hard time getting loans because I'm self-employed.
     
  20. Strange Fruit

    Strange Fruit Well-Known Member

    Location:
    San Francisco
    Driving:
    UberX
    I wonder if Geno knows that the average american can't handle a rational debate. They just look for key words and figure out if their on side A or B. Then they fight for the side they are on. What's nice is there are actually a lot of unaverage americans on here. They actually pinpointed that Geno is simply being annoyed by the fact that people get all bitter about not beintg tipped. He even said "put a sign up and be happy when you get more tips". He's not saying you shouldn't be tipped. He's just saying, "why are you people always complaining and hating on people for not tipping". I hate on them too sometimes, but I know that's just me. I hate on people for a lot fo things though. It's just my nature. #ihatemyspecies
     
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